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#1320469 9-Jun-2015 17:11

Jase2985: i think it was ashburton that is under-grounding services (Power and maybe telecommunications) on main roads as it reduces the chances of someone in a car hitting them and causing damage to the network.

South Canterbury also gets hit by snow and there have been a number of problems last winter. I'd think that might be driving the issue too.

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#1320476 9-Jun-2015 17:25

TeaLeaf: Im referring to upgrading of exchanges. How can there be port waiting, its like if you asked to have your electricity connected, no sorry sir we dont have the capability at the moment, wait 12 months and one might be available then. Its ridiculous.

Whats the point of UFB if you have to wait months to connect to it when its available?

my ufb was connected in around 7 days

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#1320515 9-Jun-2015 18:24

So Tealeaf, any progress on your new connection?

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#1320536 9-Jun-2015 18:46

surfisup1000:
TeaLeaf: Im referring to upgrading of exchanges. How can there be port waiting, its like if you asked to have your electricity connected, no sorry sir we dont have the capability at the moment, wait 12 months and one might be available then. Its ridiculous.

Whats the point of UFB if you have to wait months to connect to it when its available?

my ufb was connected in around 7 days

did you have to get body corp permission?

yeah marty, shame on me, they had got the wrong customer and mine was connected yesterday. not as quick as my last connection but 25Mbps down wireless isnt too bad. A nice 5ms ping though.

if they made the permission process more obvious to body corps and landlords and the benefits i think the process of UFB would be quicker and easier. i think everyone has a responsibility to pay some money into getting it running, whether a tenant or home owner. im prepared to pay a setup fee if i can get the body corp on side. im still confused whether i just order it or i have to do the permission thing myself. the isp says i need permission but i read somewhere chorus will work that out. either way im happy to do my bit.

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#1320545 9-Jun-2015 18:58

SaltyNZ:

I'll bite: I argue for split pricing on wholesale copper. Let Chorus raise the cost in areas with active UFB service. That way, they can cover their rising costs and give subscribers incentive to move to fibre. Wherever they have not completed or do not intend to roll out UFB, reduce it, as the ComCom originally wanted. That way, those who can't have UFB don't get punished, and Chorus has an incentive to complete and expand the fibre rollout so as to get that copper service charge high again.

Don't let Chorus get all the money. The government should also put a copper tax on areas with UFB and use the money raised to fund further fibre rollout.

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#1320552 9-Jun-2015 19:10

TeaLeaf: if they made the permission process more obvious to body corps and landlords and the benefits i think the process of UFB would be quicker and easier. i think everyone has a responsibility to pay some money into getting it running, whether a tenant or home owner. im prepared to pay a setup fee if i can get the body corp on side. im still confused whether i just order it or i have to do the permission thing myself. the isp says i need permission but i read somewhere chorus will work that out. either way im happy to do my bit.

body corps dont care about the benifits from UFB, its doesnt affect them, they care about money (what it costs them, and generally its nothing), how it looks, and what kind of disruption its going to cause.

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#1320555 9-Jun-2015 19:16

When they find that their properties are less desirable than ones with fiber already in them, they will start to care about it.

No new xDSL connections in the area would rapidly accelerate the uptake. As would decommissioning cabinets in the areas that are fully done and feeding everything back from the exchange making everyone still on copper have their speed plummet to late 90's speeds.

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#1320557 9-Jun-2015 19:17

richms: When they find that their properties are less desirable than ones with fiber already in them, they will start to care about it.

the problem is people who want UFB connections are still in the miniroty, its still going to be a while till they become the majority

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#1320724 9-Jun-2015 21:54

only because of lack of education and talking to people like body corps etc as part of the roll out strategy, ie its cheaper and faster for your tenants which makes your property more desirable.

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#1320751 9-Jun-2015 22:30

perhaps we should all start to ask rental agents if they have any CBD apartments with fiber in them ready to go because you cant afford any downtime when you move?

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#1320806 10-Jun-2015 06:50

TeaLeaf: only because of lack of education and talking to people like body corps etc as part of the roll out strategy

I think you'll find apathy has a lot to do with it, but also some bodycorps have very restrictive rules that say that a supermajority or even unanimous decision is required before anything can be done. That was always the problem when I had to deal with them - you couldn't ever get enough people to turn up to meetings to make any decisions other than to accept the minutes of the previous meeting. Maddening.

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#1320889 10-Jun-2015 09:26

SaltyNZ:
TeaLeaf: only because of lack of education and talking to people like body corps etc as part of the roll out strategy

I think you'll find apathy has a lot to do with it, but also some bodycorps have very restrictive rules that say that a supermajority or even unanimous decision is required before anything can be done. That was always the problem when I had to deal with them - you couldn't ever get enough people to turn up to meetings to make any decisions other than to accept the minutes of the previous meeting. Maddening.

www.don'tliveinhere.co.nz would be the answer to this problem.

Simply start a web site where details of poor access areas can be posted.

I see a double edge sword.

Helps realestate agents avoid frustration from potential purchases but it also provides a great too for providers to see where there is demand and make some of this service delivery demand driven.

I'm sure that bodycorps might take a bit more attention when they see their investment being devalued because potential purchasers can see their property should be avoided.

But as you say Salty, apathy is the biggest issue here.

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#1321973 10-Jun-2015 11:26

DonGould:
old3eyes: She needs to whack the Auckland council around the head for insisting that all fiber is underground even in areas where power is still on poles and likely to stay that way for then next 20 years or so..

Given that fibre is a 100 year investment, I can see the sense in this. 20 years is just 20% of the life of the fibre.

A valid point but it hasn't stopped the fiber companies putting it on poles in other towns.

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#1322067 10-Jun-2015 12:54

old3eyes: A valid point but it hasn't stopped the fiber companies putting it on poles in other towns.

Is this issue impacting deployment and uptake in Auckland?

From what I've read here, it seems to me that there isn't a shortage of supply, just an unwillingness from the community to gather together and make the best use of the resource they actually already have.

Do we really care is some put it on poles while others underground? It's a bit like cars and road, eventually everyone is going to get there.

Do we think that in the case of cars we're just going to see some rework later to push it underground anyway?

Do we really care about leaving some work for our kids to deal with? It's for sure it doesn't seem that our parents and grand parents minded leaving us some work.

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#1322109 10-Jun-2015 13:42

DonGould:
Jase2985: i think it was ashburton that is under-grounding services (Power and maybe telecommunications) on main roads as it reduces the chances of someone in a car hitting them and causing damage to the network.

South Canterbury also gets hit by snow and there have been a number of problems last winter. I'd think that might be driving the issue too.

Yep - the house we had in a 60's suburb of Ashburton had all services below ground - no wires hanging between poles made the streets a lot more attractive. And that was 10 years ago.

I'm pretty sure snow was the driver for the power services to go below ground.

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