Where to put the ONT?

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Topic # 151502 27-Aug-2014 17:01

Have an install date for fibre in the about two weeks, in a standard 3 bedroom kiwi house with no structured cabling.

http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/18485/13.0-2006-CHO-Home-Owner-Brochure_AW2-web.pdf

http://www.chorus.co.nz/file/18484/minimum_communication_cabling_requirements.pdf

I think I would rather have the ONT in the garage, is it acceptable to just have it on a garage hardboard wall next to the Fuse box, or does it have to go in a home distributor box? Signetcomms have them for approx $200, what would be the minimum purchase needed?

If so, initially would just run a single run of Cat5e from the ONT to the living room myself, under the house and have the RGW (modem) there, with allowance made for a return run back to a future patch panel in the garage.

If decide to have the ONT in the house, in the picture below star 1 is behind the sofa, and is where the coax from the aerial and sky dish come in, and is near a double socket. Hides the ONT currently, but modem is difficult to access.

Star 2 is behind a bookcase, also by double socket. Also currently hides the ONT, and modem is easier to access, but is not next to the coax cables (have no TV in the house).

Star 3 is next to a double socket.

If it was your house, where you put the ONT?

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Reply # 1116732 27-Aug-2014 17:29

Those PDFs are all to do with new houses or those being removated (ie can have new cables run in walls now).

No the ONT doesnt have to go in a Disribution Hub/Box it can go on the wall (min 300mm above floor) - the Min requirement is that there is a access path for the new cableing to come in from the outside and that there is a double (if with the RGW) power point. If your thinking that you want to recable later select a point on the wall where a Box could be installed at some stage.

Are you getting a phone number from your provider ? is it going to be comeing out from the ONT or RGW ? - if RGW then you will need two Cat5s (if remote from ONT) One to take data from ONT to RGW and one for Voice back to ONT location (this is so your voice circit can be hooked back up to your existing phone wireing )

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Reply # 1116743 27-Aug-2014 17:44

Thanks InstallerUFB, provider will be Spark with existing copper being left in place, by star 3 on the diagram for phone. As it is with Spark I assume the home phone will continue to come in over copper (at least initially)?

The fibre will be coming in from the bottom right of the diagram, the trench terminates there but not sure where the ETP will end up going, but access should be easy to internal wall on other side of garage with the double socket.

Would an installer in a Chorus zone run the cable from the ONT to the RGW in a different location as part of a standard install, or is that additional work?

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Reply # 1116813 27-Aug-2014 20:10

jonb: Thanks InstallerUFB, provider will be Spark with existing copper being left in place, by star 3 on the diagram for phone. As it is with Spark I assume the home phone will continue to come in over copper (at least initially)?

The fibre will be coming in from the bottom right of the diagram, the trench terminates there but not sure where the ETP will end up going, but access should be easy to internal wall on other side of garage with the double socket.

Would an installer in a Chorus zone run the cable from the ONT to the RGW in a different location as part of a standard install, or is that additional work?

When Spark start cutting over to a fibre delivered voice service then they will @ this stage be using the ATA port on the ONT.

The New ETP will generaly be installed externaly where the trench ends. If possible as a replacement for the existing copper one or as near to it as possible - so the new and the old can be intergrated with ease.

Any additional cabling past the ONT is chargeable as an addition and has to be arranged through your provider at time of booking the install (as a while-U-are-here) it will be CAT6 spec but if you want matching faceplates to existing (PDL Clipsal) this also must be specified else a universal keystone mounting box will be used.

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Reply # 1116816 27-Aug-2014 20:14

Put it in the garage. I put mine in a top cupboard out of the way where I have space for a router etc.

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Reply # 1117195 28-Aug-2014 12:34

It would be good to put the ONT in the garage, both for aesthetics and future proofing.

There is only a single socket in the garage, so would have to stick an extension cable on the wall if the RGW is also to go in the garage (if acceptable to installer). This would be the easiest minimum setup.

RGW in the garage would have good wireless coverage across the house, with just floorboards in the way of the signal. No devices currently connected via LAN port with existing setup.

At some point a cable would need to connect from somewhere in Lounge to the ATA port in the ONT for Spark landline connectivity. If went with a different VoIP provider in the future, would this be required?

If the RGW was in the lounge, would it need a double run of Cat6 cable, one to send internet to the modem, and another to return back to garage for a future patch panel for structured cabling?

Getting myself confused, but have two weekends before install to do any basic DIY, or give instructions to Spark to pass on the the installer for additional work.

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Reply # 1117205 28-Aug-2014 12:50

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jonb: It would be good to put the ONT in the garage, both for aesthetics and future proofing.

There is only a single socket in the garage, so would have to stick an extension cable on the wall if the RGW is also to go in the garage (if acceptable to installer). This would be the easiest minimum setup.

Why not change the socket for double socket?, They're cheap as chips and would look much nicer than a extension cable.

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Reply # 1117225 28-Aug-2014 13:28

That's a much better idea, thanks.

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Reply # 1118858 31-Aug-2014 10:29

It is useful to locate the ONT where it's LED's can be easily seen. If your internet or phone fails, a quick glance at the LED's on the ONT will disclose whether "it's you", or your ISP, that is down.

And if you do have a problem and call your ISP, they will ask you to report on the LED status, and usually they will want you to reboot the ONT by disconnecting its power for a minute.

Don't forget to consider attaching your ONT to a UPS.

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Reply # 1118861 31-Aug-2014 10:41

My ONT is at the top of a top cupboard, the LEDs would be difficult to see even with a ladder. I wouldn't worry about that too much, personally. UPS isn't a bad idea, I still mean to make a DC UPS because the regular ones are pretty inefficient for this type of use.

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Reply # 1118919 31-Aug-2014 12:27

I'd pick the garage, especially if it's attached as once set up and working its unlikely to need checking very often, and IMO flickering lights in the lounge are one of the things I'm aiming to irradicate in my next home (new build)

Also means patching, boxing etc are going tto be easier later, and makes a good place for a NAS or such if ever needed.

Always run a minimum of 2 network cables if possible, as this would also allow digital signal if later you find you might need one.
(My neighbour runs his http from the garage near his lounge, as chalk 'kiwi' walls allow his Bluetooth keyboard easy transmission though the adjoining wall, and all the 'clutter' now lives in the garage :)

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Reply # 1119612 1-Sep-2014 14:17

Thanks, will put the ONT in the garage when the installers come on the 10th.

Assuming the ONT in the garage will be a future hub for some structured cabling, what is gained by putting in a Home Distribution box in the garage in advance, for the ONT to be installed in. As opposed to installing ONT on the wall where the distribution box might go in the future. I imagine the ONT will be ok to be moved in the future as long as the fibre connection into it is not broken. Would rather not get a box now if not necessary.

If the RGW is also in the garage, would the home distribution box act like a Faraday cage in regards to wifi? The Huawei hg630 does not have an external antenna, where I've seen some pictures where the antenna sticks out the top of the distribution box.

Still not sure whether to also initially have the RGW in the garage, affixed to wall near the ONT, or install a couple of runs of cable under the house up to position 1 or 2 in the lounge. Presume this would be a fairly simple job to do post install, if decide to move the RGW out from the garage?

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Reply # 1119629 1-Sep-2014 14:34

jonb: <snip>
If the RGW is also in the garage, would the home distribution box act like a Faraday cage in regards to wifi? The Huawei hg630 does not have an external antenna, where I've seen some pictures where the antenna sticks out the top of the distribution box.

exactly - either install a non metalic box if you intend to use wifi in it (there are a few but not many ) or look at using wifi access points (APs) in the future when you expand

Some of those pics you may have seen could also be for alarms with Cell back up or primary circuits

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Reply # 1119806 1-Sep-2014 18:18

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=151669

Similar thread except his is already IN the box with the resultant (predictable) bad signal...

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Reply # 1119817 1-Sep-2014 18:32

Hi, as others have said a WAP in a metal box is not a good idea for wireless coverage. Where is the closet in the middle bedroom, if it backs onto the sofa then run two cat5e/6 circuits to the top of the closet from the hub, place your router/wap there so it covers the whole house, in the hub place a 8port switch to take the lan port from the router and distribute it to all the outlets.

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Reply # 1120539 2-Sep-2014 15:18

There is a built-in wardrobe just behind the lounge wall in the middle bedroom, with a nice shelf at head level. No power sockets though, would need an electrician to install some in the next week if it was to go in there.

I think the garage will be a good place for the ONT, just debating whether to buy a home distribution box to have ready to put it in.

And whether to run a couple of cables from garage up to behind the sofa for the Huawei 630 there, or attach it on the wall in the garage.

I guess best plan would be to install the cable between the garage and lounge, and then discuss with the Chorus installers on the day.

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