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Topic # 242824 15-Nov-2018 18:49
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Gidday all you fellow geeks! I have lurked for a while, but now I need to get some recommendations;

 

My situation is that I run a home office, in Hastings central, on a tight budget.

 

Currently have: UFB business 100/100 with Unlimited Internet, static IPv4, VOIP for barely used home phone line, unlimited traffic.

 

I host my own websites on a server that I built, inside the office. When I first joined UI, I did so in order to get the IPv6 they offered, as Google's Gmail, and probably others, refuse email from servers that are not IPv6 addressed. So UI sold me the plan based on that; static IPv4, IPv6. 

 

Then I find out that the router I had didn't support IPv6 (netgear r6300v2), so talked to UI, and they sent me their modem router, a cheap and nasty Kasda box, that did get IPv6, BUT it didn't offer the ability to talk to my own servers from inside my own network using DNS (Nat reflection i think you call it), meaning that email clients had to be changed every time they left the network, from local lan IP, to domain name. The other thing I needed was more than 32 port forwards in order to make life simple for hosting and administration. Sigh. Anyway, got the hosting going with IPv4, only to find that UI had blocked the ports I need, ie 25 and 80, so had to go to the Business plan in order to get them to let that through. 

 

So then I head away to Auckland for a year of study, leaving the Mrs and children, running on the netgear. Whilst in the big smoke, I figure out what is going on  with the shortfalls of the modems, and decide to go for a Ubiquiti Edgerouter ERX. So on mid-year break I install this delightful little box, and got it happily running, such that all port forwarding that I need is good, and firewall is good, and static IPv4 is good. But wait, isn't this supposed to work with IPv6 too? Stuff around for ages, trying to get some sort of result in the form of the IPv6 address I know my ISP has given me. Nothing. Eventually give up and call UI. "oh yeah, we no longer do IPv6." "Since when, and when were you going to tell me?" "Oh, since 3 weeks ago. And the other 2 people that had it haven't complained yet!" Good grief. So apparently their techs decided that IPv6 wasn't worth their trouble, and pulled the plug on it, and have not decided if nor when they will bring it back.

 

Other than these niggles, UI have been consistent with their service. But now I feel that in order to accomplish what I want to do ( host my own websites and email internally ), I need to move to another ISP.

 

So the TL;DR is:

 

I require minimum 100/100 UFB plan, with VOIP, static IPv4, static IPv6, Unlimited traffic (or near enough), and the ability to host internally. Currently I am paying $100/month. Open to a bit more, but not too much.

 

I have looked for lists of ISPs that offer IPv6, but the lists are years out of date.


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  Reply # 2127449 15-Nov-2018 19:05
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Voyager ticks the static IPv6 box now I think, so does 2degrees? @michaelmurfy will wander in here soon and confirm that.

 

But honestly... why host at home? AWS will be infinitely more reliable, and with that new "lightsail" product it's even cheaper than normal EC2. Then there is Digital Ocean, Vultr etc.... all run excellent platforms built for, y'know, hosting things.




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  Reply # 2127460 15-Nov-2018 19:31
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Hosting at home because I have in the past used other options, including GCP, and VPSes on Digital Ocean and RAMNODE. The change is about control over our stuff without anybody else, particularly offshore, telling us what we can and cannot do.

 

As for 2Degrees, I was with them briefly, as I was with Snap, until Snap was gobbled, and the service turned to crap. Is it better now?

 

Will investigate Voyager further, thanks.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2127463 15-Nov-2018 19:43
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telling us what we can and cannot do.

 

What can't you do on AWS that you can do at home? (Edit: That's a rhetorical question because I know that answer)

 

About the only thing they govern is the specific IP address that gets assigned to your server. It's your server to do with whatever you please. How much more flexibility could you possibly need to host some websites?


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  Reply # 2127482 15-Nov-2018 19:59
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I would say look at @2degrees for sure

 

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  Reply # 2127485 15-Nov-2018 20:06
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LOL yeh, it's not what you think. And it is more about who has actual ownership over the content. On our server = our content. On AWS or whatever = out of our control over who has our content. I know, I know, tin foil hat and all that, but this is what the Mrs wants for the sites that she runs (blogs, genealogical), and her email. I happen to agree with her, so that is why I am going through all this. 

 

Voyager does look like a good option. Shame their website doesn't say anything about IPv6. Will call them.


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  Reply # 2127488 15-Nov-2018 20:13
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Voyager for certain. Awesome ISP and support.

 

 





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  Reply # 2127547 15-Nov-2018 21:23
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Why not just host with a company that has an NZ based data center? As you will be able to offset the hosting fees by buying a cheaper UFB plan. Especially as a lot of ISPs don't provide 100/100 as a standard offering. So you have to instead get 950/500 to get a decent upload speed.





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  Reply # 2127626 15-Nov-2018 23:25
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onyxnz:

 

I have looked for lists of ISPs that offer IPv6, but the lists are years out of date.

 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KmhVGN_vPzerUzhpya8lBxdgHc1rCyuWIsYFNdW8wJU/edit#gid=0

 

 

 

This one right? It seems to be pretty updated.


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  Reply # 2127634 15-Nov-2018 23:52
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I'm going to say Voyager here as a great ISP. I've got a connection with them (except VDSL) and also have IPv6 configured on an Edgerouter X.

 

$15 once-off for a static IP, no connection fee etc. Their network is very good with good peering also.

 

Just remember regarding hosting stuff at home - if you're doing excessive data then afraid to say it but a residential ISP won't suit. Given UI didn't cut you off it does sound like your use is low however.







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  Reply # 2127639 16-Nov-2018 00:54
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DarkShadow:

 

onyxnz:

 

I have looked for lists of ISPs that offer IPv6, but the lists are years out of date.

 

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KmhVGN_vPzerUzhpya8lBxdgHc1rCyuWIsYFNdW8wJU/edit#gid=0

 

 

 

This one right? It seems to be pretty updated.

 

 

Thanks, I hadn't found that one. 

 

Interesting, though, Vocus is on the list as a positive. I spoke to them on the phone and they told me outright that they don't do IPv6. So I had ruled them out.

 

Waiting for mail back from Voyager, as their help desk said I had to ask via email in order to get answer on whether they would allow web hosting. 

 

And yes, very small amounts of traffic. Not hosting video or warez! ;)

 

 


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  Reply # 2127655 16-Nov-2018 07:16
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@onyxnz I personally host a few things from my Voyager connection. It'll be fine :)

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  Reply # 2127660 16-Nov-2018 07:23
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onyxnz:

 

Waiting for mail back from Voyager, as their help desk said I had to ask via email in order to get answer on whether they would allow web hosting. 

 

And yes, very small amounts of traffic. Not hosting video or warez! ;)

 

 

Yes they allow hosting of servers etc - well, they let me anyway. Seeby himself replied to me confirming they had no issues with my running web/mail from a home connection and that they dont block any ports to prevent this.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2127773 16-Nov-2018 09:11
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xpd:

 

onyxnz:

 

Waiting for mail back from Voyager, as their help desk said I had to ask via email in order to get answer on whether they would allow web hosting. 

 

And yes, very small amounts of traffic. Not hosting video or warez! ;)

 

 

Yes they allow hosting of servers etc - well, they let me anyway. Seeby himself replied to me confirming they had no issues with my running web/mail from a home connection and that they dont block any ports to prevent this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks, guys, but you know that by admitting this you are going to get the third degree from Chevrolux? ;P

 

Makes the decision a no-brainer; Voyager it is.


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  Reply # 2127781 16-Nov-2018 09:29
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onyxnz:

 

xpd:

 

onyxnz:

 

Waiting for mail back from Voyager, as their help desk said I had to ask via email in order to get answer on whether they would allow web hosting. 

 

And yes, very small amounts of traffic. Not hosting video or warez! ;)

 

 

Yes they allow hosting of servers etc - well, they let me anyway. Seeby himself replied to me confirming they had no issues with my running web/mail from a home connection and that they dont block any ports to prevent this.

 

 

Many thanks, guys, but you know that by admitting this you are going to get the third degree from Chevrolux? ;P

 

Makes the decision a no-brainer; Voyager it is.

 

 

Haha don't get me wrong! I run a server at home that I host stuff off that I don't care about. But the way you were talking sounded like it was for clients. Anything important I wouldn't want anywhere near a standard UFB connection - bitstream 3 or better, with the gold SLA would be a minimum (and cost around $3-400/month retail).

 

Not to mention if/when the old home-made server dies you better hope the backup strategy is sound! 


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  Reply # 2127793 16-Nov-2018 09:41
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chevrolux:

 

Haha don't get me wrong! I run a server at home that I host stuff off that I don't care about. But the way you were talking sounded like it was for clients. Anything important I wouldn't want anywhere near a standard UFB connection - bitstream 3 or better, with the gold SLA would be a minimum (and cost around $3-400/month retail).

 

Not to mention if/when the old home-made server dies you better hope the backup strategy is sound! 

 

 

Was running a 10 year old Dell workstation as the server, with Backblaze for backups (with occasional USB drive backup for photos).   VDSL FTW ;)

 

 

 

 





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