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Topic # 136600 3-Dec-2013 00:28
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Hi,

Looking at buying a new gaming PC, I don't want to build one, but I don't know where to go to buy one (Some place based in the Auckland area) and offers 12 months - 2 years warranty.

CPU - looking for something with 6-8 cores (friend recommended that quad core isn't worth my time, unless he's wrong?).
 
Memory - at least 16GB

Hard Drive - 1TB

OS - windows 7 Pro 64bit 

Budget: $1800

I mainly play WoW, LoL, and rift, but would like to be able to play Ghosts, and Bf4 at high/ultra settings.

Thank you for any help :)

Also sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

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  Reply # 944481 3-Dec-2013 05:14
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Are you re-using an existing mouse, keyboard and monitor or do those need to fit in your $1800 budget?

The two best computer stores in Auckland are Playtech and Computer Lounge imo, much better service and build quality than your PB Tech or XPComputers (where you'd go if you want cheap one off parts).

http://www.playtech.co.nz/
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/

Computer Lounge is in Sylvia Park, Playtech is on the North Shore so that may be a factor for you.

Computer Lounge have an active build forum where lots of people request quotes
http://forum.computerlounge.co.nz/yaf_topics36_PC-Build-Help.aspx

GPForums have some example builds at different price points that may be of interest to you
http://www.gpforums.co.nz/thread/302905/?s=



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  Reply # 944532 3-Dec-2013 09:14
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CPU - looking for something with 6-8 cores (friend recommended that quad core isn't worth my time, unless he's wrong?).

Games don't even make use of more than 4 cores potential, at least not yet. And if you compare a K-Series Intel CPU with a mediocre 6 core AMD cpu, the Intel will be the one to get without a doubt. (i5 4670K is really nice), however, in saying all that, you could go for the 6 or 8core from AMD if you want to save some cash.


Memory - at least 16GB

I wouldn't bother with more than 16Gig, you wouldn't need more than that yet. Can always add more later on.


Hard Drive - 1TB

With a budget like that, throw in an SSD drive for the OS and your programs and some games to run on, you wont regret it


OS - windows 7 Pro 64bit

Might as well get Windows 8 64bit

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 944548 3-Dec-2013 09:44
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16GB is plenty of RAM IMHO. An SSD would be really valuable, 128GB may be enough, Samsung 840 was the general recommendation when I asked last week. I got the pro model, $200, standard is $150 (ish). You'll want some super expensive video card no doubt, which like a car is worth half what you pay for it as soon as you take it out of the box.



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  Reply # 944559 3-Dec-2013 10:15
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Ragnor: Are you re-using an existing mouse, keyboard and monitor or do those need to fit in your $1800 budget?


I have my own mouse, keyboard and monitor, headset.

I've looked at Playtech, but their computers seem over priced for what you get.

I've looked at the pre built computer lounge pc's but none of them really appeal to me.

I'll go to the computer lounge forum and ask for a build.

@noc I don't like windows 8, the layout makes me cringe.

Thank you all for your help :) 


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  Reply # 944597 3-Dec-2013 10:49
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Go and see the guys at Playtech - tell them your budget and what youre after and theyll help.




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  Reply # 944609 3-Dec-2013 11:05
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Feignz: I've looked at Playtech, but their computers seem over priced for what you get.


Don't forget, you're not only paying for parts and a build. You're also paying for warranty, support, and troubleshooting if needed. Be sure to make fair comparisons when you're looking around. If you're thinking "cost of parts plus $50 to put it together" you'd probably be wrong.




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  Reply # 944614 3-Dec-2013 11:10
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It can take a few hours or more to put a PC together, so just direct costs will probably be at least $150. Add in warranty etc and you'll be paying a premium.

You can DIY, it's not too difficult if you're technically minded, though there are some tricky bits.

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  Reply # 944664 3-Dec-2013 12:30
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Building one isn't too bad, even with no knowledge. Playtech charge $79 for just assembly.

http://www.playtech.co.nz/afawcs0139235/CATID=/ID=16981/SID=594475460/productdetails.html

I use that 2tb drive for $129 it's quite a good deal. Intel i5 K model is generally a good cpu to go with for gaming. i7 isn't really necessary just for gaming or you can go AMD if you want to save some money. I have an i5 3570K at stock speed and it's definitely not the bottleneck, I could easily increase its power by 25% by turning on the overclock profile if I need to. Wouldn't go for more then 16GB of ram, would only go for 16GB ram now due to BF4/Ghosts and future games high requirements. Just don't skimp on the graphics card because you'll probably regret it later if you are wanting to max out games. SSD would help but can easily be added on later.

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  Reply # 944678 3-Dec-2013 12:50
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if you're interested in playing games at super high then you need these in decreasing order

1) a kick#ss graphics card(s) [which needs a decent PSU to fuel it]
2) a decent dual core CPU to keep up. the i5 4670K is overclockable if you're into that sort of thing. otherwise a i5 4570 is the best bang for buck for your needs - cheap enough yet morrrrrrre than powerful enough
3) a fast SSD around 120GB to load things around 10-20X faster (not kidding) so you spend more time playing and less time waiting. caveat is you need around 30% of free space on SSD to achieve these speeds.

hence your first question should be what graphics card and what PSU, then add up 2 + 3 and what's left of your $1800 can go to how much (1300-1600+ low latency - make sure get 2 pieces instead of one stick) RAM, other hard disk etc etc




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  Reply # 944684 3-Dec-2013 12:56
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@andrewNZ, that's the reason I want someone to build it, for the warranty, support and troubleshooting.

@Matteast I looked at mighty ape, and it's an option, but I'm not rushing into anything just yet, want to see what my options are.

I'd build the PC myself, but I'm to afraid of screwing something up, and then the part isn't covered by warranty = my losing $.

Unfortunately I'm trying to make an account on Computer Lounge but the verification email hasn't come through (waiting 3 hours), and yes I've checked my spam etc.

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  Reply # 944693 3-Dec-2013 13:06
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Feignz: @andrewNZ, that's the reason I want someone to build it, for the warranty, support and troubleshooting.

@Matteast I looked at mighty ape, and it's an option, but I'm not rushing into anything just yet, want to see what my options are.

I'd build the PC myself, but I'm to afraid of screwing something up, and then the part isn't covered by warranty = my losing $.

Unfortunately I'm trying to make an account on Computer Lounge but the verification email hasn't come through (waiting 3 hours), and yes I've checked my spam etc.


It is great fun to build one -- i bought my first C Lounge PC as a prebuilt box , which was exceptionally well assembled -- then, I built the next box myself , copying some of the assembly methods from the first box.  



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  Reply # 944702 3-Dec-2013 13:16
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joker97: if you're interested in playing games at super high then you need these in decreasing order

1) a kick#ss graphics card(s) [which needs a decent PSU to fuel it]
2) a decent dual core CPU to keep up. the i5 4670K is overclockable if you're into that sort of thing. otherwise a i5 4570 is the best bang for buck for your needs - cheap enough yet morrrrrrre than powerful enough
3) a fast SSD around 120GB to load things around 10-20X faster (not kidding) so you spend more time playing and less time waiting. caveat is you need around 30% of free space on SSD to achieve these speeds.

hence your first question should be what graphics card and what PSU, then add up 2 + 3 and what's left of your $1800 can go to how much (1300-1600+ low latency - make sure get 2 pieces instead of one stick) RAM, other hard disk etc etc

 

 

 

Re 3, many good SSDs over-provision space so you don't need to leave much if any free space yourself. Also from what I've read RAM speed is largely irrelevant, it makes a difference to benchmarks but not the real world. Processors have 3 levels of cache to mitigate slow RAM speed, even the fastest RAM is slow compared with processor and cache.

 

No need to over-provision a PSU, google pus calculator and trust that. Big graphics cards to take a fair bit of power though. Modular PSUs are better for cooling, and of course bigger fans move more air, more quietly than small fans.

 

The rest looks spot on.



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  Reply # 944714 3-Dec-2013 13:37
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I would love to build my own pc, I love everything to do with computer hardware/software, I just don't know where to start to learn about it all, I know a bit about software, but almost nothing about hardware.

Can someone explain how an SSD works? is it just like a normal HDD but works faster?
Say if I had a 120GB SSD and a 1TB HDD, which would I save my games/everything too?

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  Reply # 944721 3-Dec-2013 13:47
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Yes an SSD is treated just like a very fast HDD (But NEVER defrag an SSD).

I have a 240GB SSD in my laptop and that has everything on it including my steam games. I backup the games I'm not using to a HDD (in my case my server) to save a bit of space.

The things you want/need to load fast go on the SSD, everything else on the HDD. In practice a HDD may only be useful for video and archived content.

You could consider a hybrid drive. They're like a HDD and SSD smooshed together. The drive decides what is the most commonly accessed content and moves it to the solid state portion for faster access.




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