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Topic # 198748 21-Jul-2016 10:38
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4 bay NAS filled with these could be fun :)

 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/seagate-unveils-worlds-largest-consumer-hard-drive/

 

 

 

I'm paranoid as it is using 2TB drives, would hate to lose 10TB of data :D

 

 





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  Reply # 1596064 21-Jul-2016 10:40
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I don't think I quite need this yet; I have a pair of 6 TB drives at the moment and haven't managed to fill them :)


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  Reply # 1596071 21-Jul-2016 10:42
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The bigger they make the drives the bigger the incentive is to buy two ( or more) ( preferrably from different batches or vendors) to ensure you always have a live backup...


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1596075 21-Jul-2016 10:49
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seagate, no thanks.  havent touched one since their 1.5TB screw up, that lost me all my data in my drobo.

 

10TB would be nice though... but yeah... lots of data to loose unless you had it in a RAID, but pricey then


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  Reply # 1596106 21-Jul-2016 11:53
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4 bay NAS filled with these could be fun :)

 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/seagate-unveils-worlds-largest-consumer-hard-drive/

 

 I'm paranoid as it is using 2TB drives, would hate to lose 10TB of data :D

 

 

 

Paranoia is normal.  wink

 

All hard drives will fail, given enough time.

 

The whole point of RAID is to prevent data loss when one (or two) drives fail.

 

With RAID the size of the individual HDDs becomes almost irrelevant.

 

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  Reply # 1596116 21-Jul-2016 12:01
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Sideface:

 

The whole point of RAID is to prevent data loss when one (or two) drives fail.

 

With RAID the size of the individual HDDs becomes almost irrelevant.

 

 

Until you're waiting for your array to rebuild...


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  Reply # 1596122 21-Jul-2016 12:05
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Sideface:

 

The whole point of RAID is to prevent data loss when one (or two) drives fail.

 

With RAID the size of the individual HDDs becomes almost irrelevant.

 

 

Until you're waiting for your array to rebuild ...

 

 

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I'm waiting for mine to rebuild, right now. frown

 

I estimate that it will take 3 days (8 x 8TB WD Reds, RAID 10)





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  Reply # 1596161 21-Jul-2016 12:41
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Sideface:

 

 

 

I'm waiting for mine to rebuild, right now. frown

 

I estimate that it will take 3 days (8 x 8TB WD Reds, RAID 10)

 

 

Time to get out the emergency Valium!


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  Reply # 1596164 21-Jul-2016 12:43
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meesham:

 

Sideface:

 

 

 

I'm waiting for mine to rebuild, right now. frown

 

I estimate that it will take 3 days (8 x 8TB WD Reds, RAID 10)

 

 

Time to get out the emergency Valium!

 

 

Id be hitting the Jagermeister........ that way if it fails to rebuild, the shock wont be so great :)





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  Reply # 1596223 21-Jul-2016 13:12
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meesham:

 

Sideface:

 

I'm waiting for mine to rebuild, right now. frown

 

I estimate that it will take 3 days (8 x 8TB WD Reds, RAID 10)

 

 

Time to get out the emergency Valium!

 

 

I'm quite relaxed about it - the whole array is backed up. wink

 

 

from 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)

[on Dave's return to the ship, after HAL has killed the rest of the crew]

HAL: Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

 

 





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  Reply # 1596235 21-Jul-2016 13:32
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seagate, no thanks.  havent touched one since their 1.5TB screw up, that lost me all my data in my drobo.

 

10TB would be nice though... but yeah... lots of data to loose unless you had it in a RAID, but pricey then

 

 

Yep, around 2010 model? I had purchased 4 of these dodgy seagates and they all failed... then, the warranty replacements, all failed. 

 

I think seagate sorted their act out since then. 

 

The WD green drives are terrible (the power saving features don't play well with many controller chips), so I have switched back to seagate .  

 

I've not had a seagate failure for a couple of years now, touch wood. 

 

I only buy drives in pairs now (one backup), single drives are too risky. While even a pair is not fail safe, a pair probably gives a 99% improvement in data safety. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1596243 21-Jul-2016 13:37
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I've had drives fail on both sides. With the WD green drives especially, but since I lost a couple of those I do the WDIDLE thing.

 

What's working out for me is regular replacement. I'm always running out of room on my HTPC and I have maxed out the number of internal drives.

 

So it's a case of replacing the oldest one with the larger capacity from time to time.

 

 

 

10TB would be great but the price point isn't at US$470 for the NAS version. Seagate and WD do 8TB external drives for US$250, I'd rather crack one of those open as my next drive.

 

Apparently some of the WD 8TB External drives have Hitachi drives inside them.

 

 


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  Reply # 1596259 21-Jul-2016 13:49
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I've got a mix of drives in my basic home server box, 1-2TB WD and Seagate..... I run HDSentinel occasionally to try and pre-empt any failures but have had both brands fail in the past. Seems to be the year that WD models go well, Seagates fail, and vice versa. I do need to look at some new drives soon though, fed up with spreading data across multiple drives, but terrified of the off-chance that the one big drive I do buy fails and I lose everything (not personal data, thats backed up multiple locations) - more frustrating to get all the data back again.

 

 





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  Reply # 1596266 21-Jul-2016 14:05
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xpd:

 

I've got a mix of drives in my basic home server box, 1-2TB WD and Seagate..... I run HDSentinel occasionally to try and pre-empt any failures but have had both brands fail in the past. Seems to be the year that WD models go well, Seagates fail, and vice versa. I do need to look at some new drives soon though, fed up with spreading data across multiple drives, but terrified of the off-chance that the one big drive I do buy fails and I lose everything (not personal data, thats backed up multiple locations) - more frustrating to get all the data back again.

 

 

 

 

Why not look at something like Driver Bender, that will JBOD  and duplicate files across multiple drives.

 

The drives are still recoverable in a standard Win PC should something go AWOL with the array.

 

I still chug along with Windows Home server ver 1, which uses a similar technology - Drive Extender.

 

Has 4 drives, and have had to replace a couple of failing drives, as picked up by HD sentinel.

 

Remove drive from storage pool, swap out drive, add drive to storage pool. Wait for rebuild. Doesn't take too long.

 

Can still use the server during the rebuild process.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1596284 21-Jul-2016 14:17
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10TB would be great but the price point isn't at US$470 for the NAS version. Seagate and WD do 8TB external drives for US$250, I'd rather crack one of those open as my next drive.

 

Apparently some of the WD 8TB External drives have Hitachi drives inside them.

 

 



The 8TB drives are 5400rpm though and this 10TB is 7200rpm.  10TB at this speed hits over 250MB/s which is way above the 120 or so I get from my 8TB drive.  RAID 10 these would be fantastic!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10497/seagate-barracuda-pro-10tb-helium-hdd-capsule-review


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