Help with hyperfibre home network and corporate switch

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#304149 9-Apr-2023 11:51

I have signed up with 2.G hyperfibre and have very quickly realised I can't use the bandwidth and that multigig equipment is expensive. I am likely to downgrade but want to see what I can achieve first.

My question is, how can I configure my home network to use the 2.5G connections with only the following items. Currently the Fritzbox is bottleneck at 1G and I at least want my devices to share the 2.5G bandwidth (even if individually limited to 1G).

1. ONT - Chorus 10G PON (XS-250WX-A) - locked in route mode 192.168.1.x. I had to set IP filter to accept all for upstream (otherwise speed test and other things don't work). Firewall set to "Low". Wifi turned off.

2. Router - Fritz!Box 7490 - currently set to "connect to external modem/router" and gets WAN address from ONT. The firewall is enabled. Wifi turned off. DHCP enabled for home network 192.16.15.x.

3. Switch - HPE 5130 JG937A - this is a corporate switch I acquired and I'm totally out of my depth - its currently connected to Fritzbox by 1G connection and I've also managed to get POE going for 3x wireless access points. I have 4x SPF+ ports with 10G RJ45 adaptor.

The router is a bottleneck: ONT (10G) --> Router (1G) --> Switch (10G) --> APs/PCs (1G with two PCs at 2.5G)

Is there any way to remove the router and configure the switch to use a vlan to provide direct connection to ONT, with some sort of firewall/security and routing to rest of network? And if so, how?

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#3060459 9-Apr-2023 12:08

Sorry, but no. You could connect a single computer with a 10g connection and a software firewall but that’s it.

EDIT - looks like I’m wrong! I was unaware the hyperfibre ONT acted as a router.

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#3060555 9-Apr-2023 12:31

Question is... why did you sign up to Hyperfibre in the first place? What problem were you attempting to solve here?

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#3060622 9-Apr-2023 13:38

michaelmurfy:

Question is... why did you sign up to Hyperfibre in the first place? What problem were you attempting to solve here?

that question is irrelevant. they asked for help to make it work with what they had not for you to question their decision of why they went with it in the first place.

surely if the ONT is in router mode you have 1x 10gb connection and 3-4x 1gb connections off the ONT itself to use? why is the fritz using a WAN connection? sounds like its in bridge mode not router mode

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#3060646 9-Apr-2023 14:32

HPE FlexNetwork 5130 EI Series switches are fully managed enterprise class Gigabit switches supporting Layer 3 static routing and RIP routing, IRF stacking up to nine units high, with four built in 10 Gigabit links. This JG937A has 48 x 10/100/1000 PoE+ enabled ports and 4 x 1GbE / 10GbE SFP+ ports for high speed 10 Gigabit or Gigabit fiber connections using optional transceivers.

got this off the web, so your 48 port (1G) switch, the main value here is its a l3 managed switch so you could have multiple VLANs configured on different ports if you wanted to and each port is Poe+ so can power poe device, the beauty with these big switches is the large POE budget, so you can power many poe devices.

you have 4 10g sfp ports, so you need to get into the switch via a fibre.

see if you can bypass the fritzbox, as its useless now.

if you can get the 10g into the switch, then each 1g port has alot more potential than a 1g switch, also if you want to get 2.5 or 10g to a pc, you will need to get some sfp to rj45 adaptors.

also on your pc, you will need to get a 2.5g or 10g network card.

but your are right in the fact that 2.5g and 10g is not cheap at present.

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#3060712 9-Apr-2023 15:47

Could try building a DIY router with something like OPNsense, OpenWRT, PFsense etc. Grab something like a HP T620 Plus off TradeMe and add a dual SFP+ network card. Would need to add SFP+ network to any client PC's and ideally just use DAC cables off FS.com.

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#3060713 9-Apr-2023 15:49

Jase2985: surely if the ONT is in router mode you have 1x 10gb connection and 3-4x 1gb connections off the ONT itself to use? why is the fritz using a WAN connection? sounds like its in bridge mode not router mode

This. Is the ONT configured as the router? If so, do you still need the Fritz?

alaw005

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#3060717 9-Apr-2023 15:59

PANiCnz:
Could try building a DIY router with something like OPNsense, OpenWRT, PFsense etc. Grab something like a HP T620 Plus off TradeMe and add a dual SFP+ network card. Would need to add SFP+ network to any client PC's and ideally just use DAC cables off FS.com.

Thank you this sounds like what I'm after. So I would connect ONT direct to SFP port on switch and remove the fritzbox. I dont want to use the ONT for routing as cannot chane any settings but could make switch DHCP server. How do I configure the vlan on the switch?

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#3060722 9-Apr-2023 16:05

alaw005:

Thank you this sounds like what I'm after. So I would connect ONT direct to SFP port on switch and remove the fritzbox. I dont want to use the ONT for routing as cannot chane any settings but could make switch DHCP server. How do I configure the vlan on the switch?

I'm not familiar with hyperfibre, and one of the posts above suggests the ONT might be configured as a router? If that is the case, you can probably go straight from the ONT to the switch (probably need a RJ45 to SFP+ transceiver).

If the ONT isn't configured as a router you'd go from the 10gbe on the ONT to one port of the network card, then from the spare port to the switch. Guessing the ONT 10gbe port is RJ45 so you'd need a RJ45 to SFP+ transceiver as well.

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#3060726 9-Apr-2023 16:18

Jase2985: that question is irrelevant. they asked for help to make it work with what they had not for you to question their decision of why they went with it in the first place.

Well, it actually isn't irrelevant at all. You've been on here long enough to know that there has been many situations of somebody upgrading their internet service to get faster WiFi speeds for example or to solve an issue which is not their internet service at all.

The question was to ask if this was one of those situations and offer advise on that. Considering the OP literally said "out of my depth" with a switch and is using a Fritz!Box it makes me wonder if there was an issue they were attempting to solve with upgrading to Hyperfibre.

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#3060731 9-Apr-2023 16:30

michaelmurfy:
Jase2985: that question is irrelevant. they asked for help to make it work with what they had not for you to question their decision of why they went with it in the first place.

Well, it actually isn't irrelevant at all. You've been on here long enough to know that there has been many situations of somebody upgrading their internet service to get faster WiFi speeds for example or to solve an issue which is not their internet service at all.

The question was to ask if this was one of those situations and offer advise on that. Considering the OP literally said "out of my depth" with a switch and is using a Fritz!Box it makes me wonder if there was an issue they were attempting to solve with upgrading to Hyperfibre.

Yeah, I dont need hyperfibre but wanting our 2x PCs and 2x home server/NAS to acces internet at same time. Also 4x wifi 6 devices. Only using fritz because that is what I had.

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#3060734 9-Apr-2023 16:45

alaw005: Yeah, I dont need hyperfibre but wanting our 2x PCs and 2x home server/NAS to acces internet at same time. Also 4x wifi 6 devices. Only using fritz because that is what I had.

So Gigabit service in NZ is plenty for that sort of thing - I'm considered a true power user with about 15tb of internet use per month and a very complex home setup with multiple WiFi 6 access points etc but also know that I don't need Hyperfibre. Internet service in NZ is crazy good, with a Gigabit connection you shouldn't have any issues with bandwidth (I have about 50 wireless devices (many are IoT devices) along with a whole bunch of computers, servers, networking equipment etc and never run into bandwidth issues or wish I had more).

The ONT in router mode is a suitable firewall if you're just after the basics - just disable WiFi on it and you should be golden then plug it's 10Gbit port into your 10Gbit switch and from there plug all devices into that. Your ISP won't put it into passthrough mode so you're better to do it that way than put another router in the way and have double-NAT. There are providers like Quic (https://quic.nz) who offer 2Gbit Hyperfibre and will allow you to put your ONT into passthrough mode but this is 100% self service.

I think in your case though you could save a little money by just having Gigabit and not having to deal with the headache which is multi-gig networking (which as you know - can be rather expensive) but I also do totally understand the draw of having Hyperfibre too with the right setup.

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#3060750 9-Apr-2023 18:22

michaelmurfy:

Jase2985: that question is irrelevant. they asked for help to make it work with what they had not for you to question their decision of why they went with it in the first place.

Well, it actually isn't irrelevant at all. You've been on here long enough to know that there has been many situations of somebody upgrading their internet service to get faster WiFi speeds for example or to solve an issue which is not their internet service at all.

The question was to ask if this was one of those situations and offer advise on that. Considering the OP literally said "out of my depth" with a switch and is using a Fritz!Box it makes me wonder if there was an issue they were attempting to solve with upgrading to Hyperfibre.

you dont learn anything if you just go back to regular fibre though.

It doesnt sound like its a difficult issue to fix, talk to the ISP and confirm router vs bridge mode.

If it is indeed in router mode things just need to be reconfigured in the network as everything they have should have allow 10gbe connections to devices and line rate internet. If its in bridge mode then nothing you can do short of buying something to has a 2.5/5/10gbe wan port that can route.

Once they determine the actual issue they may want to go back to regular gigabit fibre. as there may be no long term benefit of hyperfibre

most peoples posts on here are because they are out of their depth, but it doesnt take much to help them learn something more and potentialy fix their issues.

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#3060751 9-Apr-2023 18:39

Jase2985: If it is indeed in router mode things just need to be reconfigured in the network as everything they have should have allow 10gbe connections to devices and line rate internet. If its in bridge mode then nothing you can do short of buying something to has a 2.5/5/10gbe wan port that can route.

alaw005: 1. ONT - Chorus 10G PON (XS-250WX-A) - locked in route mode 192.168.1.x. I had to set IP filter to accept all for upstream (otherwise speed test and other things don't work). Firewall set to "Low". Wifi turned off.

The ISP the OP is with also doesn't allow you to put the ONT into bypass mode. Switch connected to the ONT is the correct way of doing things as mentioned by a few above.

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#3060752 9-Apr-2023 18:42

michaelmurfy:

stuff

appreciate that but it doesnt seem like its working. have to check everything.

alaw005

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#3060754 9-Apr-2023 18:54

Great feedback, thank you. I'm going to remove the fritzbox from the equation and just go ONT to Switch. The ONT is fixed in router mode by internet provider and I cant chane the network.

The corporate switch is overkill but in interest of learning could I create vlan which connected to ONT with IP address from ONT but then have separate vlan for rest of my LAN with switch acting as DHCP server? But if I did that dont kbow how would pass through specific ports such as 80 or 443.

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