VDSL and a patch panel

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#205171 1-Nov-2016 18:59

I recently lived at a place with fibre, the ONT was in the patch panel, had a switch in there, fed through to the router in the house, all Ethernet ports connected and working = easy.

Now I'm in a new place with VDSL and a patch panel, but not sure what I need to do to get the same setup to bring all the Ethernet ports throughout the house online?

Here's a photo (for some reason it rotated it when uploading):

Any help appreciated.

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#1662217 1-Nov-2016 20:02

What a clusterf*ck

There should be fines for idiots who install data and have no clue what they're doing. Even reading the instructions would help.

It's pretty hard to tell exactly from that photo but it looks like you're got some jacks just for phone and some for data but that the phone may actually be using some data jacks.'

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#1662281 1-Nov-2016 20:42

So I'm screwed?

It's only a rental while I build a house.

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#1662282 1-Nov-2016 20:42

I'm assuming that you haven't got your VDSL up and running yet?

Building on what sbiddle has already said-

The panel with the blue cables leading to it is just for phones. The one with red cables is a patch panel, which would be the same as you had in your last house.

I'm guessing that the jack points around the house are in sets of two; with one jack from the patch panel and one (phone only) jack from the other panel.

Then there are the two strands of twisted pair wire, which look like they are connecting the incoming phone line to one of the jacks in the patch panel.

If you are forced to work with what you have, then the VDSL may well work by plugging the router into the "phone" jack on the patch panel. You can then liven up some of the other ports on the patch panel by plugging them into the switch on the router, as you would have done in your last house.

But, for a VDSL connection, you really want to have a master splitter installed, which it doesn't look like there is. That would create a dedicated port on the patch panel for VDSL.

Ideally, the phone panel would just be pulled out and replaced with another patch panel, then every port could be used for phone or data. But, appreciate that this may be a rental where you can't really do that sort of work.

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#1662294 1-Nov-2016 20:55

What exactly do you mean by "bring all of the outlets online?" Do you want to plug your router into the cabinet and then patch Ethernet through?

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#1662484 2-Nov-2016 09:36

froob:

I'm assuming that you haven't got your VDSL up and running yet?

Building on what sbiddle has already said-

The panel with the blue cables leading to it is just for phones. The one with red cables is a patch panel, which would be the same as you had in your last house.

I'm guessing that the jack points around the house are in sets of two; with one jack from the patch panel and one (phone only) jack from the other panel.

Then there are the two strands of twisted pair wire, which look like they are connecting the incoming phone line to one of the jacks in the patch panel.

If you are forced to work with what you have, then the VDSL may well work by plugging the router into the "phone" jack on the patch panel. You can then liven up some of the other ports on the patch panel by plugging them into the switch on the router, as you would have done in your last house.

But, for a VDSL connection, you really want to have a master splitter installed, which it doesn't look like there is. That would create a dedicated port on the patch panel for VDSL.

Ideally, the phone panel would just be pulled out and replaced with another patch panel, then every port could be used for phone or data. But, appreciate that this may be a rental where you can't really do that sort of work.

Yes VDSL is already up and running, just using the stock HG659 modem on Vodafone. It's plugged into the phone jack in the lounge.

Correct, all in pairs throughout the house.

So if I'm forced to work with what's there I'm not sure how I can connect the modem to liven up the Ethernet ports? You're right, there isn't a master splitter and there's no RJ-11 socket, so how would I receive the connection via the patch panel that would allow me to fire up those Ethernet ports? I'm thinking that without the splitter I can't?

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#1662486 2-Nov-2016 09:37

sbiddle:

What exactly do you mean by "bring all of the outlets online?" Do you want to plug your router into the cabinet and then patch Ethernet through?

Correct. Right now the ports are dead because there's nothing wired in the patch panel for them to work.

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#1662492 2-Nov-2016 09:59

You either need to place the modem in the cabinet and then patch the outlets from that, or place a switch in the cabinet and then patch that to the sockets you want live, and use a RJ45 to go from the outlet next to the modem to the cabinet.

The problem is I'm assuming you've got both data + phone outlets around the house despite them both having cat5e cable. In a correct setup these should all be RJ45, and they should all be wired back to a module like the one on the right.

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#1664046 4-Nov-2016 22:48

corksta:

froob:

I'm assuming that you haven't got your VDSL up and running yet?

Building on what sbiddle has already said-

The panel with the blue cables leading to it is just for phones. The one with red cables is a patch panel, which would be the same as you had in your last house.

I'm guessing that the jack points around the house are in sets of two; with one jack from the patch panel and one (phone only) jack from the other panel.

Then there are the two strands of twisted pair wire, which look like they are connecting the incoming phone line to one of the jacks in the patch panel.

If you are forced to work with what you have, then the VDSL may well work by plugging the router into the "phone" jack on the patch panel. You can then liven up some of the other ports on the patch panel by plugging them into the switch on the router, as you would have done in your last house.

But, for a VDSL connection, you really want to have a master splitter installed, which it doesn't look like there is. That would create a dedicated port on the patch panel for VDSL.

Ideally, the phone panel would just be pulled out and replaced with another patch panel, then every port could be used for phone or data. But, appreciate that this may be a rental where you can't really do that sort of work.

Yes VDSL is already up and running, just using the stock HG659 modem on Vodafone. It's plugged into the phone jack in the lounge.

Correct, all in pairs throughout the house.

So if I'm forced to work with what's there I'm not sure how I can connect the modem to liven up the Ethernet ports? You're right, there isn't a master splitter and there's no RJ-11 socket, so how would I receive the connection via the patch panel that would allow me to fire up those Ethernet ports? I'm thinking that without the splitter I can't?

I'm wondering if its been setup for a previous user who had ADSL on that outlet with the phone jumper running to it, can't see where it comes from so there maybe a splitter in the ETP outside that feeds that on s different pair of wires from the phones. In that case try your modem on whichever outlet it connects to and if it works you might look at putting a plug on the wires to directly feed the modem. In this case you also have to figure out a power supply to the cabinet (like sbiddle said, the basics haven't been installed properly). If you need to put a splitter in the cabinet then it gets inserted into the incoming line supplying the phone module, with the VDSL output being scotchlocked to whatever you use to connect the modem. You could potentially remove one of the blue wires from the phone panel and connect that to the splitter's VDSL output to turn one of the phone outlets into a dedicated DSL outlet, but that won't solve the problem of getting power to the cabinet.

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