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#2699235 28-Apr-2021 13:29

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This feature is going to sell a lot of Apple watches. My wife wears a mask for 6-8 hours a day and we're going to get her an Apple watch this weekend.

I used it this morning and it's a great feature.

Yea, I used it this morning too, works perfect just like unlocking my macbook with the watch.

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#2699291 28-Apr-2021 17:14

Well I’ve had my first naughty App ask to track me — and it was a local one at that!

myCountdown is the name of the App (for Countdown supermarkets).

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#2699307 28-Apr-2021 18:41

Benjip: Well I’ve had my first naughty App ask to track me — and it was a local one at that!

myCountdown is the name of the App (for Countdown supermarkets).

Good to name them and shame them. I’m assuming Facebook pay a royalty to app providers who (up until recently secretly) track users on FB behalf, otherwise what’s in it for them?

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#2699327 28-Apr-2021 20:49

Does iOS automatically detect which apps are performing tracking? Or are they relying on the honesty of app developers to declare it?

If the former, is it likely that app developers are going to find sneaky ways to get around the tracking detection?

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#2699426 29-Apr-2021 08:29

alasta:

Does iOS automatically detect which apps are performing tracking? Or are they relying on the honesty of app developers to declare it?

If the former, is it likely that app developers are going to find sneaky ways to get around the tracking detection?

I believe the former, although you know how tight & concise apple are on app's in the appstore. I wouldn't be worried

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#2699427 29-Apr-2021 08:35

JPNZ:

alasta:

Does iOS automatically detect which apps are performing tracking? Or are they relying on the honesty of app developers to declare it?

If the former, is it likely that app developers are going to find sneaky ways to get around the tracking detection?

I believe the former, although you know how tight & concise apple are on app's in the appstore. I wouldn't be worried

It’s both. There is an ‘App Privacy’ section for each app on the AppStore, whereby the developer asserts what data is collected. Then there is the App certification process (no it the right term, but near enough) where Apple technically reviews that the App meets the required standards, privacy and other standards.

I don’t use FaceBook, who would, but I recall hearing their App has been updated to disclose the horrifying data it tracks.

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#2699435 29-Apr-2021 09:07

alasta:

Does iOS automatically detect which apps are performing tracking? Or are they relying on the honesty of app developers to declare it?

If the former, is it likely that app developers are going to find sneaky ways to get around the tracking detection?

They are not relying on app developer honesty, with iOS 14.5 Apple automatically blocks an apps access to the phone's unique identifier which was the method these apps were using by default.

App developers need to update their apps to request access to this identifier again. Until they do so, they remain blocked.

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#2699704 29-Apr-2021 15:41

I'm not wedded to my phone so I don't use a lot of 3rd party apps, but I looked up a few of them on the app store out of curiosity.

The only apps I use that do any tracking are Twitter and Neon. The former is as expected, but the latter is a bit of an unpleasant surprise.

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#2699714 29-Apr-2021 15:57

Facebook had some big page pop up saying why I should allow tracking when I looked at it this morning. The pop up then appeared and I quickly disallowed.

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#2699715 29-Apr-2021 15:57

alasta:
I'm not wedded to my phone so I don't use a lot of 3rd party apps, but I looked up a few of them on the app store out of curiosity.

The only apps I use that do any tracking are Twitter and Neon. The former is as expected, but the latter is a bit of an unpleasant surprise.

I got the pop up on the Spark app too.

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#2699805 29-Apr-2021 18:10

I've upgraded my phone but haven't seen any pop ups. Is there something that I need to turn on?

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#2699807 29-Apr-2021 18:22

So, in just a couple of days since the update, we find out that large NZ corporates - Spark, Sky and Countdown - have been tracking their customers activity and secretly sending it to Facebook, presumably for financial gain. Disgraceful ethics and disregard for customer privacy IMHO.

I’ve been critical of Apple for years, but they won me over on this issue alone.

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#2699937 30-Apr-2021 07:14

dafman:
My understanding is that opting out of ad personalisation in Android does not restrict Google from collecting your data - they remain embedded in the Android operating system and can monitor everything you do. And in the world of data harvesting, Google is right up there with Facebook. Apple, on the other hand, claim that they do not collect or store iPhone user data at all, so a big difference now between Android vs Apple.

It's a significant reason why I'll be buying an iPhone 13 later this year. It's not the only reason but the way that Apple are getting serious about privacy is one of the things pushing me back into their ecosystem.

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#2699974 30-Apr-2021 08:53

Handle9:
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My understanding is that opting out of ad personalisation in Android does not restrict Google from collecting your data - they remain embedded in the Android operating system and can monitor everything you do. And in the world of data harvesting, Google is right up there with Facebook. Apple, on the other hand, claim that they do not collect or store iPhone user data at all, so a big difference now between Android vs Apple.

It's a significant reason why I'll be buying an iPhone 13 later this year. It's not the only reason but the way that Apple are getting serious about privacy is one of the things pushing me back into their ecosystem.

It's the reason I moved to Apple after 10 years of Android. Since moving, it's not just the privacy, the Apple eco-system has won me over. I use a tablet at home and the close integration between iPhone and iPad is great - my iPad rings when my phone rings and iMessage and Signal messaging sync perfectly between the iPhone and iPad - something that was not possible with Android phone/tablet.

Of course, Apple over-charge and deliberately under-spec many products - esp. their entry level offerings, but I accept this as a 'lesser sin' than Google and Facebook's total disregard for privacy.

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#2699985 30-Apr-2021 09:37

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Apple over-charge

When your next upgrade cycle takes place, believe me you'll be happy you paid a higher price. Apple products resale value makes android products look like a joke.

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