The cat and mouse game which is Jailbreak.

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#271936 2-Jun-2020 16:57

So with a targeted release today to fix a vulnerability which allowed for the unc0ver jailbreak I see you can already jailbreak untethered 13.5.1 , While this is always going to happen with people finding the exploits why don't apple bake some of the most sort after tweaks people want into ios to help stop people wanting to jailbreak.

Have not done it myself since back in the iPhone 4 days and does not interest me any more but to a lot of people it still does.

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#2496896 2-Jun-2020 17:03

No matter what tweaks Apple bakes in, there will still be people who want to go further. Sometimes just because they can and also for the challenge of breaking into code/firmware.

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#2496997 2-Jun-2020 19:36

In my ideal world, we'd have 'right to repair' extended to 'right to modify'. Imagine if manufacturers couldn't release hardware without also releasing the entire IP and documentation for it. Like what they'd give to a manufacturing partner. Every phone, car, tv, fridge, printer, switch, etc would have the full details on how it works, and it's source code available to any end user. Never going to happen, because greed always wins, but man how amazing would it be if everyone could repair and hack their own everything.

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#2497211 3-Jun-2020 09:08

Lias:

In my ideal world, we'd have 'right to repair' extended to 'right to modify'. Imagine if manufacturers couldn't release hardware without also releasing the entire IP and documentation for it. Like what they'd give to a manufacturing partner. Every phone, car, tv, fridge, printer, switch, etc would have the full details on how it works, and it's source code available to any end user. Never going to happen, because greed always wins, but man how amazing would it be if everyone could repair and hack their own everything.

Sounds great, but when a company pays a small fortune in R&D, I can't imagine they then want to pass that out for free to do with it as you will...in any industry

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#2497220 3-Jun-2020 09:35

Lias:

In my ideal world, we'd have 'right to repair' extended to 'right to modify'. Imagine if manufacturers couldn't release hardware without also releasing the entire IP and documentation for it. Like what they'd give to a manufacturing partner. Every phone, car, tv, fridge, printer, switch, etc would have the full details on how it works, and it's source code available to any end user. Never going to happen, because greed always wins, but man how amazing would it be if everyone could repair and hack their own everything.

This would be awesome. Then I could sue Apple when my bank is hacked because of insecure software. If only car manufacturers would allow mods - I could turn everything off for more thrills, then sue them when I crash. I want to modify my alarm software, then sue the makers when I’m burgled. Etc.

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#2497274 3-Jun-2020 10:30

BlinkyBill: ....If only car manufacturers would allow mods - I could turn everything off for more thrills, then sue them when I crash....

Lots of people modify and then crash their cars - its pretty much a rite of passage for 20 y.o. males. Nobody sues the OEM over it....?

Most jail breakers/Root-ers are perfectly aware all bets are off if they playing with their device.

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Edit: ignore this. Got too excited when I saw the title of the video when I logged into Youtube, but then I re-read OPs starting post 😅

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#2498162 4-Jun-2020 13:54

BlinkyBill:

Then I could sue Apple when my bank is hacked because of insecure software.

You don't achieve security through obscurity. There's plenty of opensource solutions which provide 100% security.

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#2498284 4-Jun-2020 14:58

Handsomedan:

Sounds great, but when a company pays a small fortune in R&D, I can't imagine they then want to pass that out for free to do with it as you will...in any industry

Hence why I said it's never going to happen because of greed. Personally I find the entire concept of intellectual property absurd, the idea of any entity being able to own an idea is anathema, but I'm in the minority.

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You don't achieve security through obscurity. There's plenty of opensource solutions which provide 100% security.

This. Security through obscurity is not security, it's security theater.

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#2498367 4-Jun-2020 16:09

Intellectual property is ... property. Taking someone's property is ... theft. People steal because they are greedy. Ergo ...

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#2498390 4-Jun-2020 16:53

BlinkyBill:

Intellectual property is ... property. Taking someone's property is ... theft. People steal because they are greedy. Ergo ...

The name itself is misnomer of spin doctoring, trying to persuade people that an idea can somehow be considered property and belong to someone. No matter how many greedy people try and make it so, an idea is simply not property.

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#2498416 4-Jun-2020 17:47

Lias:

BlinkyBill:

Intellectual property is ... property. Taking someone's property is ... theft. People steal because they are greedy. Ergo ...

The name itself is misnomer of spin doctoring, trying to persuade people that an idea can somehow be considered property and belong to someone. No matter how many greedy people try and make it so, an idea is simply not property.

That is your opinion - not fact and certainly not the law.

It is what it is and probably not worth going down the rabbit hole.

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#2498458 4-Jun-2020 18:36

It’s an ignorant opinion, actually. IP and “prior art” are well-established legal principles that serve to protect the inventions of those who put effort and investment in creating works from ideas. To consider that those who make those investments are not entitled to have legal protection from greedy and malicious exploitation is, to put it kindly, anarchic.

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#2498479 4-Jun-2020 19:07

BlinkyBill:

It’s an ignorant opinion, actually. IP and “prior art” are well-established legal principles that serve to protect the inventions of those who put effort and investment in creating works from ideas. To consider that those who make those investments are not entitled to have legal protection from greedy and malicious exploitation is, to put it kindly, anarchic.

It's a philosophical position. You might not agree with it (I don't) but it's not totally uncommon or inherently invalid.

Some people want stronger IP protection, some want less, some want none. There is currently fairly widespread abuse of IP protection (eg the one click patent) which has a chilling effect on innovation and suppresses competition.

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#2498492 4-Jun-2020 19:29

Lias:

In my ideal world, we'd have 'right to repair' extended to 'right to modify'. Imagine if manufacturers couldn't release hardware without also releasing the entire IP and documentation for it. Like what they'd give to a manufacturing partner. Every phone, car, tv, fridge, printer, switch, etc would have the full details on how it works, and it's source code available to any end user. Never going to happen, because greed always wins, but man how amazing would it be if everyone could repair and hack their own everything.

For myself I prefer that all our staff cannot make such changes to their phones and install dodgy apps as they please. Then you'd need antivirus and management software running on the phones and on and on it goes. The fact that iPhones are locked down is a plus in this instance.

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#2498498 4-Jun-2020 19:44

Lias:

Hence why I said it's never going to happen because of greed. Personally I find the entire concept of intellectual property absurd, the idea of any entity being able to own an idea is anathema, but I'm in the minority.

Luckily for you, people rarely get to just have IP rights in respect of a mere idea. Copyright, for example, protects your manifestation of ideas. Patents are typically (under NZ law) granted in respect of a new process, invention, or material etc.

It's a good idea not to rant about complicated stuff like IP law and philosophical justifications for IP rights if you don't have at least an elementary grasp of the basics.

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