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#833806 10-Jun-2013 22:35

Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

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#833812 10-Jun-2013 22:47

richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Very few countries are getting gigabit options right now, and most of the ones that are are extremely limited geographically.

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#833828 10-Jun-2013 23:06

NonprayingMantis:
richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Very few countries are getting gigabit options right now, and most of the ones that are are extremely limited geographically.

The US, Singapore, Japan, Korea, much of Scandinavia, Australia, and the UK are 'very few' and 'limited geographically'?

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#833861 11-Jun-2013 05:54

1080p:
NonprayingMantis:
richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Very few countries are getting gigabit options right now, and most of the ones that are are extremely limited geographically.

The US, Singapore, Japan, Korea, much of Scandinavia, Australia, and the UK are 'very few' and 'limited geographically'?

If you're going to quote such stats how about also mentioning what % of customers have access to the service?

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#834000 11-Jun-2013 10:14

Once the network is in place it won't take much to introduce higher speed plans. And then when the current gpon system eventually isn't enough, they can upgrade it in the cabinets.
Though we actually need something to use it for in the first place to drive uptake before we think about faster speeds. At the moment I'd say the average household doesn't have the need for more than 30/10 unless it's got several people heavily using the internet at once.

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#834016 11-Jun-2013 10:32

1080p:
NonprayingMantis:
richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Very few countries are getting gigabit options right now, and most of the ones that are are extremely limited geographically.

The US, Singapore, Japan, Korea, much of Scandinavia, Australia, and the UK are 'very few' and 'limited geographically'?

yes, that is maybe 10 countries out of 200 or so around the world. that is what I call 'very few' they all have significantly higher GDP than us too.

As far as limited geographically, the uk 1Gb connection is available to around 20,000 homes out of 24 million. that is very limited

http://advanced-television.com/2013/03/25/hyperoptic-offers-1gb-in-uk/
"Hyperoptic has already installed its fibre optic network in 20,000 homes in London – mostly in large blocks of flats and urban areas where installation costs are lower. The company is offering its one-gigabit-per-second broadband at £50 (€62) per month."

in the USA I believe it is only Kansas city that has 1Gb access - that is a very small proportion of US households. there are probably a few municipal places doing it too, but again, very small footprints

Japan, Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore probably have the widest distribution, but then they are countries with massive amounts of high rise flats, making it very cost effective to install fibre. you cant get 1Gb fibre in most 'normal' housing there unless you are super rich.

dont know enough about the scandinavian market, but pretty sure 1Gbps is not widely available there either

Australia? seriously? do you really need me to explain that 1Gb broadband is not widely available in Australia?? really?

(ETA: changed number of countries in the world to be more accurate)

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#834023 11-Jun-2013 10:44

Australia has worse broadband than NZ. Ironically if the Coalition are elected in this year it will see their FTTN network deliver within about 4 years what NZ has had since 2011.

The UK refers to "fibre optic broadband" in a lot of advertising for both Virgin's HFC network and BT's FTTN network which use DOCSIS and VDSL2 as the last mile technology.

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#834131 11-Jun-2013 12:57

richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Putting fibre in the ground to every home/business is a once in a generation infrastructure upgrade. The optics in cabinets can be upgraded or changed in the future so talk about being limited to 100Mbit is premature.

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#834475 11-Jun-2013 21:02

Ragnor:
richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Putting fibre in the ground to every home/business is a once in a generation infrastructure upgrade. The optics in cabinets can be upgraded or changed in the future so talk about being limited to 100Mbit is premature.

^ speaks the truth, also what you say about many other counties having gigabit options... jesus man...

Your all bent out of shape over not getting NATIONAL gigabit speeds.... Woop-de-do, start bitching about the international pipe...

Thats the single biggest point of failure in this entire UFB deployment.

I'm also personally looking forward to these price cuts from snap. once those happen I'm jumping ship yo.

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#834524 11-Jun-2013 22:14

I'm disappointed that Snap, so far, hasn't come with revised VDSL prices. If it is no longer a premium product, why is it still $50 more than ADSL + Phone? A lower price would surely bring a whole load of people from other providers that do not have VDSL?

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#834529 11-Jun-2013 22:37

^Aside from fullflavourmedia, who in the market has cheaper VDSL for plans that have a decent amount of usage?

Wait for competition to kick in, as i said at the moment there is no reason to drop prices as they are already pretty reasonable at the moment - to give an idea of relative value,our broadband from telecom with 150gb barely changed in price (by a few bucks) when we went to snap VDSL.

Also question - what countries actually have nationwide fibre to the home rolled out or in the process of this happening?

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#834537 11-Jun-2013 23:33

NonprayingMantis:
1080p:
NonprayingMantis:
richms: Except the current fiber rollout is about 5 years out of date with a max speed of 100 megs with half that upload. Other countries are getting gigabit options, we have 10% of that being sold as ultrafast.

Very few countries are getting gigabit options right now, and most of the ones that are are extremely limited geographically.

The US, Singapore, Japan, Korea, much of Scandinavia, Australia, and the UK are 'very few' and 'limited geographically'?

yes, that is maybe 10 countries out of 200 or so around the world. that is what I call 'very few' they all have significantly higher GDP than us too.

As far as limited geographically, the uk 1Gb connection is available to around 20,000 homes out of 24 million. that is very limited

http://advanced-television.com/2013/03/25/hyperoptic-offers-1gb-in-uk/
"Hyperoptic has already installed its fibre optic network in 20,000 homes in London – mostly in large blocks of flats and urban areas where installation costs are lower. The company is offering its one-gigabit-per-second broadband at £50 (€62) per month."

in the USA I believe it is only Kansas city that has 1Gb access - that is a very small proportion of US households. there are probably a few municipal places doing it too, but again, very small footprints

Japan, Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore probably have the widest distribution, but then they are countries with massive amounts of high rise flats, making it very cost effective to install fibre. you cant get 1Gb fibre in most 'normal' housing there unless you are super rich.

dont know enough about the scandinavian market, but pretty sure 1Gbps is not widely available there either

Australia? seriously? do you really need me to explain that 1Gb broadband is not widely available in Australia?? really?

(ETA: changed number of countries in the world to be more accurate)

The entire UFB network can support 1gbps or even 100gbps if you really wanted to pay for it. The thing is that while it may be the same fibre cable, the cheap GPON service is limited to 100mbps due to its nature.

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#834543 12-Jun-2013 00:59

eXDee:
Also question - what countries actually have nationwide fibre to the home rolled out or in the process of this happening?

I think Singapore had fibre access to 95% of premises in Oct 2012

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#835754 12-Jun-2013 13:29

Okay so here's some competition, interestingly from Actrix who are usually quite expensive. Added voyager too.

I'm only looking at naked here for a simple comparison, as it reduces variables such from VOIP and POTS such as value added phone services, reliability etc, just looking at raw VDSL data. Listing by price.
Actrix 45gb $75
Voyager 10gb $75
Actrix 65gb $85
Snap 50gb $95
Actrix 100gb $95
Voyager 50gb $100
Actrix 200gb $105
Snap 150gb $110
Snap 300gb $120
Voyager 100gb $125
Snap 550gb $140
Actrix 500gb $145
Snap 1050gb $165
Voyager 1000gb $175
Actrix 1000gb $215

So at the current pricing, Snap is more expensive except in high end plans. Voyager is more expensive than actrix and has poor value overall in comparison, except for their 1tb plan which almost rivals snap.

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#835832 12-Jun-2013 14:36

eXDee: Okay so here's some competition, interestingly from Actrix who are usually quite expensive. Added voyager too.

I'm only looking at naked here for a simple comparison, as it reduces variables such from VOIP and POTS such as value added phone services, reliability etc, just looking at raw VDSL data. Listing by price.
Actrix 45gb $75
Voyager 10gb $75
Actrix 65gb $85
Snap 50gb $95
Actrix 100gb $95
Voyager 50gb $100
Actrix 200gb $105
Snap 150gb $110
Snap 300gb $120
Voyager 100gb $125
Snap 550gb $140
Actrix 500gb $145
Snap 1050gb $165
Voyager 1000gb $175
Actrix 1000gb $215

So at the current pricing, Snap is more expensive except in high end plans. Voyager is more expensive than actrix and has poor value overall in comparison, except for their 1tb plan which almost rivals snap.

This is interesting. has anyone actually had experience with Actrix?? I came across them last night while looking for VDSL providers.

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