[Snap] VDSL - Am I likely to see any increase in performance given stats

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Benoire

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#115280 20-Mar-2013 10:29

Hi,

I've been toying with the idea of going VDSL for some time now and dropping the normal line and go VOIP enabled. I'm within the VDSL range, as the cabinet 'isn't' that far away (I realise physical distance doesn't represent actual).

These are my stats from my current dsl router:

                              Downstream Upstream
Data Rate                     14329        1240
Noise Margin                    12            12
Output Power(dBm)         125         189
Attenuation(dB)              18            5

Thanks,

Chris

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#784286 20-Mar-2013 10:29

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#784308 20-Mar-2013 10:56

Based on those stats you're outside the VDSL2 coverage zone. Without knowing the state of your wiring however it's impossible to know whether you're actually capable.

Does the Chorus coverage map put you in a VDSL2 coverage area? If so there is a very good chance you can get VDSL2 but you will need to sort out your wiring.

Benoire

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#784312 20-Mar-2013 11:03

sbiddle: Based on those stats you're outside the VDSL2 coverage zone. Without knowing the state of your wiring however it's impossible to know whether you're actually capable.

Does the Chorus coverage map put you in a VDSL2 coverage area? If so there is a very good chance you can get VDSL2 but you will need to sort out your wiring.

Hi Biddle,

Yes I can get VDSL2 as my cabinet is enabled and I'm within the available zone according to the chorus map. I've got brand new wiring from the demarc point including a new master splitter to two new jack points, one is for telephone and the other ADSL.

I did used to get sync speeds of around 19000kbps but they suddenly dropped about 9 months ago to the levels that posted.

Chris

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#784330 20-Mar-2013 11:37

Benoire:
sbiddle: Based on those stats you're outside the VDSL2 coverage zone. Without knowing the state of your wiring however it's impossible to know whether you're actually capable.

Does the Chorus coverage map put you in a VDSL2 coverage area? If so there is a very good chance you can get VDSL2 but you will need to sort out your wiring.

Hi Biddle,

Yes I can get VDSL2 as my cabinet is enabled and I'm within the available zone according to the chorus map. I've got brand new wiring from the demarc point including a new master splitter to two new jack points, one is for telephone and the other ADSL.

I did used to get sync speeds of around 19000kbps but they suddenly dropped about 9 months ago to the levels that posted.

Chris

it seems a lot of people are being hit with increased attenuation and reduced sync speeds even when in green coverage area. i suspect that part of it could be increased uptake of adsl in general with longer lines interfering with the shorter ones.

like your line stats look similar to mine, and i'm around 600 metres from cabinet in green vdsl area. but measured sync speed was still 14 megabit at the road.

unfortunately it seems all new work is going into ufb, so if you're not in a ufb area, and you're over 10 megabit down, then it's unlikely anything will be done.

that said if chorus let you have vdsl, you'd at least get better upload speed.

at the moment you're basically hitting maximum adsl non-annex-m speed.

Benoire

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#784355 20-Mar-2013 11:56

Hi Mercutio,

I thought as much, hey I'm still not complaining at what I have but it would have been nicer to have a faster line.

UFB in my area is not on the 3 year plan yet :-( so some time still to go!

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#784565 20-Mar-2013 16:10

it seems a lot of people are being hit with increased attenuation and reduced sync speeds even when in green coverage area. i suspect that part of it could be increased uptake of adsl in general with longer lines interfering with the shorter ones.

like your line stats look similar to mine, and i'm around 600 metres from cabinet in green vdsl area. but measured sync speed was still 14 megabit at the road.

unfortunately it seems all new work is going into ufb, so if you're not in a ufb area, and you're over 10 megabit down, then it's unlikely anything will be done.

that said if chorus let you have vdsl, you'd at least get better upload speed.

at the moment you're basically hitting maximum adsl non-annex-m speed.

While there may be a crosstalk type effect on the other pairs I don't believe it is aas big an issue as some may think. I think most of the time people just see that there is a cabinet close to but don't actually know which way the cable goes down the street. I was at a customer's house not long a go with complaints of slow speeds 'even though the cabinet is just there'. The cabinet was only 500m away but after getting the plans and measuring there was actually 2.3km of cable between them and the cabinet. This was because the cabinet got swapped to the other side of the road during the FTTN upgrade. I suspect this is the case with many of the FTTN cabinets.

And then there is the old house wiring gem.

To the OP - Get your house wiring checked out and then re-visit your modem stats. You might see a great jump in performance. I haven't seen many connections within the 'VDSL' area not benefit from a splitter install. And as for going VoIP, do it anyway on your ADSL. Call quality and stability will be fine!

Edit: Just to add. I have 29dB attenuation on my line and sync at around 11Mbps just to give some context to your figures.

Edit one more time: Sorry to saw another post. Get in touch with your ISP and get them to send Chorus out. Sounds like the line has degraded and if you have a splitter and new wiring I would suggest it is the incoming pair.