2Degrees mobile and IPv6

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hamish225

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#295781 22-Apr-2022 16:20

Hi everyone,

Do we know anything about IPv6 support on 2degrees mobile specifically, but also would be interested to know in general with other mobile providers in NZ too.

In Europe most mobile providers give you an IPv6 address via mobile data, It seems a bit backwards we're still limping along with IPv4 only on a lot of services in nz.

Since snap and Orcon (vocus) both support IPv6 the 2degrees mobile network will be the odd one out in being IPv4 only, it makes sense to me at least that this will change.

Before anyone asks me why I need IPv6, we need to change from IPv4 eventually and we may as well do it sooner rather than later, also NAT sucks.

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#2905473 22-Apr-2022 19:50

VodafoneNZ and SparkNZ I am sure do not do IPv6 on mobile only fixed line!

boosacnoodle

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#2995617 13-Nov-2022 19:45

Are we getting any closer to seeing IPv6 on mobile?

I find it rather strange that many fixed-line broadband connections are moving to CG-NAT (where a fixed IP is arguably more preferable) yet on mobile this is largely not the case (where a fixed IP is largely not needed).

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#2995624 13-Nov-2022 20:11

Anyone in the know that works for the mobile carriers will be able to speak about it anyway

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#2995630 13-Nov-2022 20:50

Linux:
Anyone in the know that works for the mobile carriers will be able to speak about it anyway

Hopefully they're along shortly to share what they know then.

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#2995641 13-Nov-2022 21:13

Ge0rge:
Linux:
Anyone in the know that works for the mobile carriers will be able to speak about it anyway

Hopefully they're along shortly to share what they know then.

Sorry left out word ' not '

KiwiSurfer

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#2995650 13-Nov-2022 21:24

Linux: VodafoneNZ and SparkNZ I am sure do not do IPv6 on mobile only fixed line!

I thought Spark had no IPv6 across all their services. Is this no longer the case?

yitz

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#2995661 13-Nov-2022 22:19

Reckon Spark must be in the testing phase for the past year...

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#2995700 14-Nov-2022 08:07

Dual stack APNs are a bit of a pain to setup, and there is currently no massive benefit. If there was enough demand we could do it, for sure.

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ethanbmnz

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#3001295 25-Nov-2022 13:16

KiwiSurfer:

Linux: VodafoneNZ and SparkNZ I am sure do not do IPv6 on mobile only fixed line!

I thought Spark had no IPv6 across all their services. Is this no longer the case?

IIRC, Spark use IPv6 on their IMS APN. i.e. IPv6 addresses for P-CSCF and UE.

ethanbmnz

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#3001296 25-Nov-2022 13:19

SaltyNZ:

Dual stack APNs are a bit of a pain to setup, and there is currently no massive benefit. If there was enough demand we could do it, for sure.

How do customers (politely) demand IPv6 - e.g. by getting in touch with Customer Care?
(Fully aware that the status quo is fine)

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#3001299 25-Nov-2022 13:29

ethanbmnz:

SaltyNZ:

Dual stack APNs are a bit of a pain to setup, and there is currently no massive benefit. If there was enough demand we could do it, for sure.

How do customers (politely) demand IPv6 - e.g. by getting in touch with Customer Care?

Actually that's an excellent question ... Need some sort of poll option here.

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Obraik

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#3008060 10-Dec-2022 12:49

This is a catch 22 that only the ISPs can break - IPv6 would be more prevalent if ISP support was more universal. It's all well and good to provide it on fixed line services but since most traffic these days comes from mobile devices (most of which will be using mobile data at some point), it doesn't mean much when the majority don't have it.

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#3008068 10-Dec-2022 13:25

I remember discussing the lack of IPv6 with someone who worked for a second-tier ISP. He said that all their gear now properly supported IPv6, the organisation had a decent delegation (a /32 maybe?) and there was no technical reason why they shouldn't start to hand out IPv6 prefixes.

The problem was their billing & accounting system

Tens or even hundreds of thousands of lines of old, ancient spaghetti code inherited from various predecessor companies, thickly strewn with routines that 'knew' that an IP address was a 32-bit unsigned integer, or was a 15-character field in the format '999.999.999.999'.
Changing to IPv6 would mean that things wouldn't fit on screen and reports, database fields would contain gibberish, etc. etc. Worse still, it would involve trying to alter code that was so old and crusty and had so many undocumented interactions that nobody in the software maintenance team was game to go near it. "Here Be Dragons 😱" territory.

And that's why you can't have IPv6, New Zealand

nzkc

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#3008229 10-Dec-2022 17:33

In regards to the "there's no technical reason to implement it"... what about IPv6 only hosted sites and services? They do exist. I appreciate fairly few and far between. But that is not zero either.

boosacnoodle

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#3012473 20-Dec-2022 18:13

Not following the logic given here. Mobile devices get assigned public IPv4 on cellular, yet largely don’t need direct connections (e.g. could be CG-NAT’d but aren’t). Yet fixed line connections are largely IPv6 with CG-NAT.

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