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#1400907 6-Oct-2015 11:39

Fred99:
Benoire:
Fred99:

AFAIK, produce doesn't need COA labeling anyway, but Countdown supermarkets (Foodstuffs too?) put COA labeling on voluntarily.

I know, but I had read that the TPP 'had' mandated that the country of origin was now NOT allowed to be placed, thereby meaning you had no idea if it was NZ produced or not, so that even companies that where doing it out of goodwill would not be allowed to... As I've said, we haven't seen the final list of ins/outs so all of this is conjecture and based on previous understandings.

That would be impossible. I suggest that if there's a change, then it might be at the level of not allowing mandatory COA labeling - but not banning voluntary COA labeling.
Would you buy a bottle of wine, an oyster, or a block of cheese without some COA information? I wouldn't.

Hence my question :-) I am looking forward to reviewing what I can to make an informed view on the TPP now it has been signed, the reduction in beef tariff is interesting although still 10% for Japan... However the dairy is fairly clouded with no details in the government release, I hope we get more understanding of the positives and negatives...

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#1400908 6-Oct-2015 11:42

Behodar:

Pity about copyright extending to 70 years; if anything we should be reducing it.

Yes - the "default" position on IP rights and trade is actually no protection at all - that's where we started (before concepts like copyright and patents were even thought of). Then introduced for practical reasons to restrict free trade.
I'm disappointed that IP rights and Free Trade should be negotiated simultaneously - as they are fundamentally opposing concepts, horse trade between resulting in compromises on both.

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#1400942 6-Oct-2015 12:23

New Zealand will also provide greater rights to performers of copyright works such as musicians and actors.

I didn't know that there was any copyright coverage for performers... My understanding is that copyright relates to a "written work" (including recordings of various kinds). So copyright is held by the makers of the movie or TV program or whatever?

The cynic in me says that "musicians" and "actors" is code for "RIAA" and "MPAA".

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#1400982 6-Oct-2015 13:24

As the saying goes, the 'Devil is in the Detail'

They are moving the copyright from 50 to 70 years, which is quite a significant move IMO. I would have thought 50 years is more than a reasonable period of time to extract profits from the works, before the works are released into the public realm.

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#1400984 6-Oct-2015 13:32

The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

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#1401000 6-Oct-2015 13:51

roobarb: The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

I wonder what will happen when the 70 years is up.

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#1401004 6-Oct-2015 14:06

mattwnz:
roobarb: The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

I wonder what will happen when the 70 years is up.

Is it 70 years from the actor's death? Mickey died in '68. Proof:

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#1401006 6-Oct-2015 14:08

mattwnz:
roobarb: The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

I wonder what will happen when the 70 years is up.

It will get pushed to 100, just like when the 50 years got close it got pushed to 70.

And its not just Disney, its the Beatles, Rolling Stones,etc and TV/Movies

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#1401007 6-Oct-2015 14:10

That one is called the Mickey Mouse Patriot Protection Bill.

Benoire

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#1401008 6-Oct-2015 14:12

Or by its proper name Copyright Term Extension Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act)

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#1401009 6-Oct-2015 14:13

Fred99:
mattwnz:
roobarb: The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

I wonder what will happen when the 70 years is up.

Is it 70 years from the actor's death? Mickey died in '68. Proof:

Its what happens when the works are owned by "corporations", who may never die.

Just google "Copyright Happy Birthday", supposedly written in 1893

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You

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#1401057 6-Oct-2015 15:15

sir1963:
Fred99:
mattwnz:
roobarb: The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

I wonder what will happen when the 70 years is up.

Is it 70 years from the actor's death? Mickey died in '68. Proof:

Its what happens when the works are owned by "corporations", who may never die.

Just google "Copyright Happy Birthday", supposedly written in 1893

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Birthday_to_You

Apparently there is no copyright for that anymore, and it can be used is some cases without paying a royalty.

But I think the TPA may affect people buying stuff overseas. For example, I had read that if you wanted to buy licensed products overseas, they can be seized at customs, if a distributor in NZ has the rights to sell them in NZ. Not sure if this may be the end to parallel importing of some goods. I don't think this deal is going to be great for NZ consumers. I think it will benefit the rich in NZ more the middle and lower class. Maybe it will make NZ a richer country as a whole, and bring in more income, but that often doesn't all filter down into the lower classes.

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#1401058 6-Oct-2015 15:18

I think I saw something from Tim Groser a few weeks ago where he said that parallel imports will not be banned under TPP... but we'll need to wait for the full text to know for sure.

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#1401064 6-Oct-2015 15:26

So, in the USA :

The white house now advise congress that they intend to sign the TPP deal.
Congress gets 30 days to look at it.
Everybody then gets 60 days to look at it.
US ITC gets up to 105 days to conduct a full economic review.
Congress then gets up to 90 days to say yay or nay.

"Initial reaction from U.S. Congress members, including Democrats and Republicans, ranged from cautious to skeptical."

Reader comments on US news sites I've looked at seem almost overwhelmingly negative.

Hmmmm...

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#1401065 6-Oct-2015 15:29

Fred99:
mattwnz:
roobarb: The US definition of copyright duration is whatever it takes so that Disney does not lose Mickey Mouse.

I wonder what will happen when the 70 years is up.

Is it 70 years from the actor's death? Mickey died in '68. Proof:

I thought the Gummy Bears got Mickey

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