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#1798401 12-Jun-2017 12:07

I asked Huawei NZ about the P9 upgrade on Twitter last week. I didn't get a reply at all.

Has anyone tried loading an overseas firmware / ROM? I prefer OEM ROMs, in my experience putting third party ROMs onto proprietary hardware doesn't always work well.

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#1798403 12-Jun-2017 12:11

They have never been a brand that inspired trust for me. Can't put my finger on why, but they just don't.

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#1798419 12-Jun-2017 12:53

nitrotech:

I would be very cautious about expecting any updates from Huawei for NZ phones.

The P8 Lite (still being sold) is on 5 and while there is an international update to 6 but not from NZ firmware.

The P8 also stuck on 5 with no sign of any update for NZ phones, the international update for 6 does work with NZ firmware if you want to flash it yourself - Android 7 is never coming to the P8.

If you'd dropped over 1k on a P9+ you'd be pretty unhappy right now, but more of a problem for Huawei is that you're never likely to trust them again.

I have been very happy with my P9+ but now I won't ever buy another Huawei phone. Disappointing.

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#1798472 12-Jun-2017 13:50

I am making some enquiries about this

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1798538 12-Jun-2017 14:58

I am going to assume my P10 Lite will never get Android 8 .. :-)

Hopefully it does get a few more security patches ..

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#1798630 12-Jun-2017 16:46

I just called the NZ call center and spoke to a Filipino-sounding person who assured me the update is coming for p9 and will be released in batches but she didn't know when. I asked if she was sure it was definitely coming and said "yes".

I'm still not convinced but thought I'd share.

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#1798658 12-Jun-2017 17:23

Interesting, thanks.

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#1798714 12-Jun-2017 17:43

And this from a query on their Facebook page:

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#1798715 12-Jun-2017 17:44

The slow unpredictable update path with most android phones remains the Achilles heel for android. I've heard rumour that Google are looking to take back control of system updates with future android development. Boy, I hope so.

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#1798716 12-Jun-2017 17:48

That and the lack of seamless and complete backups without rooting.

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#1798717 12-Jun-2017 17:49

Thanks all for making inquires. I also heard that Google is trying to take back control, but I guess that's "O" or later.

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#1798751 12-Jun-2017 18:13

From my observation, if you want to be in control of your updates, choose a phone with an unlockable bootloader that's popular with developers. And funilly enough a Samsung flagship often fits that criteria. I don't think you can expect any OEM to support updates for more than 2-3 years. I just flashed Android 7.1.2 onto a 5 year old Sammy S2 recently.

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#1798756 12-Jun-2017 18:27

Ah the joys of Android.

Google really needs to take control back even if it's only monthly security patches. What they need to do is say to OEM's is "sure you can do whatever you want to the phone but it needs to be by the google play store". This means that the OEM's like samsung/Sony etc need to release all their add-ons as google play store downloads and any updates need to come from the play store leaving the core of android as is so google can update it each month.

If OEM's don't want to do this then they don't get to put googles apps and market on their phones.

Google could even give the OEM's options to lock to android version (i.e. 6.0, 7.0 etc) until they test out their add-ons for each phone.

This however will never happen.

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#1798948 12-Jun-2017 20:48

1eStar: From my observation, if you want to be in control of your updates, choose a phone with an unlockable bootloader that's popular with developers. And funilly enough a Samsung flagship often fits that criteria. I don't think you can expect any OEM to support updates for more than 2-3 years. I just flashed Android 7.1.2 onto a 5 year old Sammy S2 recently.

I have an S4, which I had up to date with a custom ROM that wasn't too far from stock. I found the general experience good, but battery life pretty poor.

Then I got an unbeatable deal on a P9, which is much much faster, but EMUI messes with Android far too much. When I first got it I couldn't get Google Calendar to show notifications, but my reminder app worked fine. Now my reminder app isn't showing notifications but Google Calendar is. It's just messed up.

tripp:

Ah the joys of Android.

Google really needs to take control back even if it's only monthly security patches. What they need to do is say to OEM's is "sure you can do whatever you want to the phone but it needs to be by the google play store". This means that the OEM's like samsung/Sony etc need to release all their add-ons as google play store downloads and any updates need to come from the play store leaving the core of android as is so google can update it each month.

If OEM's don't want to do this then they don't get to put googles apps and market on their phones.

Google could even give the OEM's options to lock to android version (i.e. 6.0, 7.0 etc) until they test out their add-ons for each phone.

This however will never happen.

I think Google will take at least more control, so they can do security updates more easily. I doubt they'll get as far as Apple, not any time soon anyway.

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#1801046 14-Jun-2017 18:32

1eStar: From my observation, if you want to be in control of your updates, choose a phone with an unlockable bootloader that's popular with developers. And funilly enough a Samsung flagship often fits that criteria. I don't think you can expect any OEM to support updates for more than 2-3 years. I just flashed Android 7.1.2 onto a 5 year old Sammy S2 recently.

The point is, you shouldn't have to. And there is possibly an issue with the Consumer Guarantees Act if updates (required to ensure security and compatibility) are not provided for the expected life of the phone, arguably longer than 2-3 years.

Unfortunately it might take a couple of legal test cases to make a difference and who will bother?

Look, Personally I don't mind waiting a few months as a penalty for living in the boondocks (some will disagree), but if the update doesn't arrive fairly soon my P9 is likely to be my last Huawei handset. Which is a shame as it's the best handset I've ever owned. Previously I've had iphone 4, 4S, 5, 5S, HTC M7, M8 and now this. It's by far better than any of those.

And I actually am one of the few that really likes EMUI - it's great - just not what long term Android users are likely used to.

We'll just have to wait and see.

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