There is UFB that works like UFB and then there's Vodafone's UFB.

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#1242901 20-Feb-2015 10:40

Traffic is great when going via vocus if this helps :D

Tracing route to video3.sfo01.justin.tv [199.9.253.233]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
...
6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 202.53.187.194
7 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ten-0-3-0-1002.bdr01.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz [175.45.102.57]
8 133 ms 133 ms 133 ms ten-0-7-0-5.cor01.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz [114.31.202.40]
9 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms ten-0-0-1-3.cor01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.31]
10 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-100.cor02.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.49]
11 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-100.cor01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.48]
12 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-101.bdr01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.61]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.

Also for those commenting on distance of one 'network' to another, you should understand that that single 'hop' that you see in traceroute could be several internet routers. You can pass through entire sections of a network without it showing as a 'hop' if its designed to not decrease the TTL of the packet. An ISPs network can also extend all over the globe if they want it to.

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#1242941 20-Feb-2015 11:19

eXDee:

Also for those commenting on distance of one 'network' to another, you should understand that that single 'hop' that you see in traceroute could be several internet routers. You can pass through entire sections of a network without it showing as a 'hop' if its designed to not decrease the TTL of the packet. An ISPs network can also extend all over the globe if they want it to.

Sure but there are inferences you can draw when you look at the complete chain and the maps of the Internet.

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#1243099 20-Feb-2015 14:42

I think I am being dumb here but no chance you have sort of bot on your computer rerouting your traffic?

just a thought

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#1243142 20-Feb-2015 15:46

hotrok: I think I am being dumb here but no chance you have sort of bot on your computer rerouting your traffic?

just a thought

Each device in the chain makes a decision where to send the packets next. All malware could do is to create private network and send data over that, but that would be at a level above the basic tcp\ip networking. The outgoing traffic would still be routed however "the Internet" choose to route it.

FierceGuppy

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#1243193 20-Feb-2015 17:10

KiwiNZ:
FierceGuppy:
Sounddude:
FierceGuppy:
Kraven: Video streams on twitch.tv don't come from the IP that twitch.tv resolves to. They use a CDN to distribute the stream content. For example, currently on my Snap connection the stream I'm watching is coming from 199.9.253.233. Does your traceroute to that IP look any better than the one to twitch.tv?

Unfortunately my traffic for that address still gets routed through China, too.

Telstra Global's head offices are in Hong Kong. Thats where the IP addresses are registered too.

It doesn't actually mean that the IP's are used on Hong Kong devices. Based on the latency and cable paths it looks like its hitting East coast USA, which is where JustinTV and Twitch are hosted and peer.

The key thing is that those Hong Kong addresses don't appear Glassboy's tracert result. The only differences between him and I is that he lives in Wellington and I live in Christchurch, and Vodafone gives him a functioning UFB service while giving me a stunted one.

Vodafone are not giving you a stunted service, you are receiving the service as designed and what you are paying for, be it ADSL, Dialup, Cable or Fibre no Service Provider has control over what happens and the service levels you recieve once your transaction leaves their servers.

That is not the issue. It is where the packets flow *within* the Vodafone network that is the problem. All I ask is that Vodafone direct my packets through the same vodafone servers they're sending Glassboy's.

Glassboy:
Tracing route to twitch.tv [192.16.71.181]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 4 ms 6 ms 4 ms 210.246.35.254
3 6 ms 4 ms 4 ms gi0-2-0-3.ppnzwtc01.wlg.vf.net.nz.180.109.203.in-addr.arpa [203.109.180.210]
4 5 ms 6 ms 4 ms gi0-2-0-3.ppnzwtc02.wlg.vf.net.nz [203.109.180.209]
5 138 ms 137 ms 138 ms 10.123.80.69
6 137 ms 145 ms 149 ms v407.core1.sjc1.he.net [216.218.254.57]
7 138 ms 137 ms 137 ms 10ge1-4.core1.pao1.he.net [72.52.92.113]
8 * * * Request timed out.

mine:
Tracing route to twitch.tv [192.16.71.181]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 12 ms 12 ms 10 ms 218.101.61.101
4 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
5 25 ms 25 ms 32 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
6 26 ms 27 ms 25 ms 134.159.174.41
7 152 ms 154 ms 151 ms 202.84.223.85
8 181 ms 183 ms 182 ms 202.84.140.242
9 181 ms 189 ms 181 ms 202.84.251.98
10 181 ms 180 ms 179 ms l3-peer.eqnx03.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159.61.106]
11 182 ms 194 ms 182 ms ae-1-6.bar2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.69.140.153]
12 193 ms 191 ms 201 ms ae-1-6.bar2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.69.140.153]
13 * * * Request timed out.

FierceGuppy

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#1243206 20-Feb-2015 17:24

mdf:

For what it's worth, my results are almost identical to yours (vodafone/telstra cable in Wellington).

tracert 199.9.253.233

Tracing route to video3.sfo01.justin.tv [199.9.253.233]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
2     9 ms     8 ms    10 ms lo0.internet.ivpn.pe25.telstraclear.net [218.101.61.124]
3    18 ms    17 ms    18 ms ie2-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.2]
4    19 ms    18 ms    18 ms ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net [203.98.50.251]
5    22 ms    20 ms    22 ms 134.159.174.37
6   246 ms   202 ms   202 ms 202.84.223.85
7   280 ms   176 ms   229 ms 202.84.144.14
8   228 ms   192 ms   212 ms 202.40.149.42
9   211 ms   203 ms   202 ms l3-peer.eqnx03.pr.telstraglobal.net [134.159.61.106]
10   294 ms   202 ms   202 ms ae-1-6.bar2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.69.140.153]
11   200 ms   202 ms   202 ms ae-1-6.bar2.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.69.140.153]
12     *        *        *     Request timed out.
13     *        *        *     Request timed out.
14     *        *        *     Request timed out.
15     *        *        *     Request timed out.
16     *        *        *     Request timed out.
17     *        *        *     Request timed out.
18     *        *        *     Request timed out.
19     *        *        *     Request timed out.
20     *        *        *     Request timed out.
21     *        *        *     Request timed out.
22     *        *        *     Request timed out.
23     *        *        *     Request timed out.
24     *        *        *     Request timed out.
25     *        *        *     Request timed out.
26     *        *        *     Request timed out.
27     *        *        *     Request timed out.
28     *        *        *     Request timed out.
29     *        *        *     Request timed out.
30     *        *        *     Request timed out.

Trace complete.

I don't watch twitch TV though, so can't comment on quality

I will show you the quality with this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMzkU69G6W4

FierceGuppy

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#1243219 20-Feb-2015 17:51

quickymart: For the record, this is what I get (Xtra VDSL):

Tracing route to twitch.tv [192.16.71.181]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms 192.168.1.1
2    13 ms    12 ms     9 ms 125-239-201-1.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.201.
1]
3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
4     8 ms     8 ms    16 ms ae8-10.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.116.5
]
5     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.21
3]
6     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
37]
7   163 ms   137 ms   133 ms xe7-0-1-10.lebr7.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.2
32.162]
8   163 ms   141 ms   137 ms ae3-10.sjbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.2
5]
9   141 ms   142 ms   142 ms ae0.pabr5.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.74]

10     *        *        *     Request timed out.

Nice... I'll definitely look towards changing to Xtra if I can get no happiness from Vodafone. I've been with the same ISP (Paradise) since 2002, and it's been a fabulotastic service. Late last year the network quality took a dive into the sh***er from where I live. The local Speedtest results are normally good to great, but that's not much use when the flow of traffic from the ovrerseas sites I love most arrive in dribs and drabs.

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#1243220 20-Feb-2015 17:52

FWIW, I watched one of the videos on my connection (for a few minutes) and it seemed to play just fine.

FierceGuppy

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#1243229 20-Feb-2015 18:03

eXDee: Traffic is great when going via vocus if this helps :D
Tracing route to video3.sfo01.justin.tv [199.9.253.233]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
...
6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 202.53.187.194
7 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms ten-0-3-0-1002.bdr01.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz [175.45.102.57]
8 133 ms 133 ms 133 ms ten-0-7-0-5.cor01.akl05.akl.vocus.net.nz [114.31.202.40]
9 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms ten-0-0-1-3.cor01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.31]
10 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-100.cor02.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.49]
11 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-100.cor01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.48]
12 127 ms 127 ms 127 ms bundle-101.bdr01.lax01.ca.vocus.net [114.31.199.61]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.

Also for those commenting on distance of one 'network' to another, you should understand that that single 'hop' that you see in traceroute could be several internet routers. You can pass through entire sections of a network without it showing as a 'hop' if its designed to not decrease the TTL of the packet. An ISPs network can also extend all over the globe if they want it to.

Which ISP is currently utilizing the Vocus fibre network?

FierceGuppy

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#1243230 20-Feb-2015 18:06

quickymart: FWIW, I watched one of the videos on my connection (for a few minutes) and it seemed to play just fine.

What's your ISP, and could you please post a tracert for twitch.tv?

quickymart

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#1243240 20-Feb-2015 18:42

As posted earlier...

quickymart: For the record, this is what I get (Xtra VDSL):

Tracing route to twitch.tv [192.16.71.181]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1     3 ms     3 ms     3 ms 192.168.1.1
2    13 ms    12 ms     9 ms 125-239-201-1.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [125.239.201.
1]
3     *        *        *     Request timed out.
4     8 ms     8 ms    16 ms ae8-10.akbr6.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.116.5
]
5     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms ae5-2.akbr7.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.21
3]
6     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms ae1-10.tkbr12.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.232.
37]
7   163 ms   137 ms   133 ms xe7-0-1-10.lebr7.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.2
32.162]
8   163 ms   141 ms   137 ms ae3-10.sjbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [122.56.127.2
5]
9   141 ms   142 ms   142 ms ae0.pabr5.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.74]

10     *        *        *     Request timed out.

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#1243269 20-Feb-2015 19:45

johnr: Hong Kong is in Hong Kong and China is it's own country, I have visited both

Hong Kong use to be under British rule but I am sure then it was not in Britain and still in the same location as it is now

So the traffic is going via Hong Kong

John

Seriously, you need to do some basic reading. I was born in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is actually a part of China. It was a British colony until 1997. It's now ruled as a Special Administration Regional of China, which exercises sovereignty rights over it. Hong Kong, unlike MAINLAND CHINA (this doesn't change the fact that it's part of China's territory) has things like freedom of speech and an independent and robust judiciary that is based mainly on British common law.

In any event, regardless of issues such as Geolocation not being fool-proof and the like, if traffic is indeed going via Hong Kong, as opposed to China, you need to understand -- as Mauricio told you -- that the distance between Hong Kong and many other parts of China where relevant infrastructure might be placed AND NZ, is essentially the same.

Sometimes it's hard to fathom whether you just like to like to argue for the sake of arguing.

FierceGuppy

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#1243286 20-Feb-2015 20:30

And the ping times for the smörgåsbord of Aussie Battlefield 4 servers tonight:

Aussie BF4 Servers

Permission to swear, General Freitas?

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#1243287 20-Feb-2015 20:32

I am of the opinion that if an ISP is not suitable, change providers (conditions apply, may have to pay termination fee, return modem).

I probably don't complain much because I haven't been doing online gaming for a while, but I would be pissed off too.

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#1243315 20-Feb-2015 21:39

dejadeadnz:
johnr: Hong Kong is in Hong Kong and China is it's own country, I have visited both

Hong Kong use to be under British rule but I am sure then it was not in Britain and still in the same location as it is now

So the traffic is going via Hong Kong

John

Seriously, you need to do some basic reading. I was born in Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is actually a part of China. It was a British colony until 1997. It's now ruled as a Special Administration Regional of China, which exercises sovereignty rights over it. Hong Kong, unlike MAINLAND CHINA (this doesn't change the fact that it's part of China's territory) has things like freedom of speech and an independent and robust judiciary that is based mainly on British common law.

In any event, regardless of issues such as Geolocation not being fool-proof and the like, if traffic is indeed going via Hong Kong, as opposed to China, you need to understand -- as Mauricio told you -- that the distance between Hong Kong and many other parts of China where relevant infrastructure might be placed AND NZ, is essentially the same.

Sometimes it's hard to fathom whether you just like to like to argue for the sake of arguing.

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