2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2712274 24-May-2021 14:17

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My old man is in his late 70’s, one of his lungs has collapsed and barely walk 100m without losing his breath. He also has cancer and is in & out of hospital 3-4 times per year with various health issues including having a stroke at the start of this year.

If that’s not underlying health issues, I am not sure what is and he still has not had a call up.

I have a friend who has cancer and is not allowed to have it.

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#2712333 24-May-2021 15:01

Batman:

was just looking at this, Israel hit 60% 2 months ago but still on 60% - i take it the chart is not up to date?

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

No, its correct ,

Israel has a very young population skew,

"28% of the population was aged 0-14 "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ahead-of-independence-day-israeli-population-stands-at-9-2-million/

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#2712408 24-May-2021 16:10

sbiddle:
The key thing is that group 3 starts *from* May. Chris Hipkins has been quite snarky of a few occasions pointing out that the key word is 'from'. A lot of people (including myself) assumed that group 3 would be complete by July when group 4 officially begins based off the original MoH timeframes, but this is not the case.
The rollout for group 3 is going to take an estimated ~3 months so most should be vaccinated by the end of August in time for group 4 to ramp up in Sep and Oct which is when the vast majority of people will receive their vaccines.he key thing right now is that there are simply insufficient vaccines to vaccinate large numbers of people in group 3. The targets for June 30th are only going to give a couple of hundred thousand doses beyond the number required for phase 1 and phase 2 people.

Also, it seems different DHBs have different roll-out plans, so there is a degree of post code lottery for those in groups 2 & 3.

For example, the Whanganui DHB appears to have decided to do mobile vaccination clinics in isolated rural areas - Ratana, the Whanganui River Road & SH4 settlements, etc. - and treating 'all comers' there, before starting targetted Group 3 rollout in Whanganui & Marton.
On balance, I think that's a good plan, even though it probably means I won't get my first dose (I'm in Group 3) until mid to late June

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#2712411 24-May-2021 16:13

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sbiddle:

The key thing right now is that there are simply insufficient vaccines to vaccinate large numbers of people in group 3. The targets for June 30th are only going to give a couple of hundred thousand doses beyond the number required for phase 1 and phase 2 people.

The key thing right now is that there are simply insufficient *vaccinators* to vaccinate large numbers of people in group 3. If you waved your wand and produced 1 billion doses right now, it would still be the same speed rollout.

I see this as the key bottleneck. In Auckland the west vaccination (henderson?) shuts at 3, and a nurse told me last night it was staff not supply.

But we don't have more vaccines to give, so it's really a chicken and egg situation. If we had more vaccinators giving more vaccines it was suggested a couple of weeks ago we'd run out in June (think it was MoH I who said this) and have none to give for a few weeks.

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#2712414 24-May-2021 16:18

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Covid in the wild in Melbourne. If MOH NZ comes out and says "It's all over the waste-water in Auckland, holy ****" then I'd be worried about my current runny nose.

Will keep an eye on it and if anything else comes of it, test-time.

Melbourne is looking very interesting right now.. Details are still vague but it seems this is a result of a mistake.

On Friday it was announced that a location of interest given for the previous positive case a couple of weeks ago was an incorrect Woolworths store. It seems that as a result some people from the correct Woolworths store were tested, and that two of these are the people that tested positive.

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#2712415 24-May-2021 16:21

PolicyGuy:

Also, it seems different DHBs have different roll-out plans, so there is a degree of post code lottery for those in groups 2 & 3.

For example, the Whanganui DHB appears to have decided to do mobile vaccination clinics in isolated rural areas - Ratana, the Whanganui River Road & SH4 settlements, etc. - and treating 'all comers' there, before starting targetted Group 3 rollout in Whanganui & Marton.
On balance, I think that's a good plan, even though it probably means I won't get my first dose (I'm in Group 3) until mid to late June

Canterbury are doing something similar for the Chathams,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-chatham-islands-population-to-be-vaccinated-in-one-go/BLMXNZTTQLOW5XHIUZSLCR6B6E/

I'm waiting to here the call from residents that Waiheke should also be treated as a remote offshore island and get a special rollout...:)

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#2712557 24-May-2021 18:05

sbiddle:

sbiddle:

I've had two separate discussions this week with people who are by no means anti vax who had seemed surprised I've already had my jab and commented that because they don't travel overseas like I do that there is no need for them to be vaccinated.

To add to this - Chris Bishop was vaccinated yesterday (seems quite a number of MP's are going to be in the next few weeks so they can all push this in their communities) and posted about this on FB. There are then a few hundred comments, mostly by people who don't want to be vaccinated.

I'm really not sure how this misinformation is going to be corrected, and it's just getting worse every day right now.

Once they know lots of people who are vaccinated with minor or no significant effects then the hesitant will change over to wanting to be vaccinated. That's certainly how it's played out here, albeit with significant and active risk of catching covid.

The 5-10% of nutters won't get vaccinated regardless and are best ignored.

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#2712558 24-May-2021 18:09

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Handle9:It shocks you? Odd. I'm entirely unsurprised.

Clearly I've mistakenly assumed Covid was the same big deal I percieve it to be, that it will also be for most people, a no brainer to get vaccinated. Not even worth 4 nanoseconds to think about it. A couple I know travel extensively, both are not fussed, they will hold off. We've had lots of jabs so why not, but no rush. One of them doesnt get a flu jab as she never gets the flu, but if she did regularly get it, the flu jab would no doubt be an annual affair, a no brainer. But not Covid

Most New Zealanders are largely ignorant of things going on in the rest of the world. This was true pre-covid and certainly has gotten worse since.

If they don't perceive a threat to themselves and have some hesitancy then it's logical that this would manifest it's self by not getting vaccinated. This will change eventually.

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#2712566 24-May-2021 18:25

wellygary:

Batman:

was just looking at this, Israel hit 60% 2 months ago but still on 60% - i take it the chart is not up to date?

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

No, its correct ,

Israel has a very young population skew,

"28% of the population was aged 0-14 "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ahead-of-independence-day-israeli-population-stands-at-9-2-million/

@Batman

As wellygary noted, a very young population skew.

The current actual percentages vaccinated per age band are as follows:

Age_Band First Dose (%) Second Dose (%)
10-19 23.5 21.3
20-29 77.1 70.9
30-39 81.2 76.0
40-49 84.9 80.0
50-59 89.2 84.2
60-69 90.2 86.4
70-79 97.8 94.7
80-89 95.5 92.5
90+ 98.0 93.5

So ... over 90% of people 50 and over have already had their first dose (~97% for 70+) - and the great majority of those fully vaccinated.

Plus ~85% of 40-49 year old people, over 80% for 30-39, and 77% of 20-29.

So, yes they have basically reached saturation and have been close to that for the last two months.

Will not be any significant jump in their overall vaccination rate until they start vaccinating children under 16.

(Data from https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?utm_source=go.gov.il&utm_medium=referral)

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#2712595 24-May-2021 19:50

Batman:

was just looking at this, Israel hit 60% 2 months ago but still on 60% - i take it the chart is not up to date?

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

They are probably a little occupied with something else at the moment.

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#2712660 24-May-2021 21:29

Eva888:
csuttonnzl:

My old man is in his late 70’s, one of his lungs has collapsed and barely walk 100m without losing his breath. He also has cancer and is in & out of hospital 3-4 times per year with various health issues including having a stroke at the start of this year.

If that’s not underlying health issues, I am not sure what is and he still has not had a call up.

I have a friend who has cancer and is not allowed to have it.

That's probably going to be the case with some people who are having treatments (ie chemo-radiation etc) that may suppress the immune system. Other cancer treatments may not be immuno-suppressive - there are probably a lot of cancer patients who can safely have the vaccine. My guess would be that many people in remission (not undergoing any treatment) are probably good to go. Really f^$% the thought of surviving cancer but dying of Covid - which could have been preventable.

Don't believe what you read on the internet (including anything I say which I never intend to be taken as medical advice), but find out for sure - check directly with medical oncologist - or ask your GP to check for you.

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#2712814 25-May-2021 11:58

And then there were 5

Wait for it... Waaaiiittt for it...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-kiwi-travellers-warned-as-melbourne-outbreak-grows/Z7CQORN7Z7K4NQFCQJZIA7YYJI/

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#2712819 25-May-2021 12:05

Don't worry, while restrictions are being put in place there, the NZ-AUS travel bubble is unaffected, fill your boots. Unreal.

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#2712824 25-May-2021 12:11

tdgeek:

Don't worry, while restrictions are being put in place there, the NZ-AUS travel bubble is unaffected, fill your boots. Unreal.

I wouldn't expect anything to change with the TT bubble as a whole there is no reason to suspend travel right at this point and it comes nowhere close to meeting the criteria for doing so.

It's entirely possible that we could see a pause in travel to/from Victoria within the next 24 hours, but at present the cases have an established link and it's a case of performing contact tracing first. If they decide that there are too many gaps something like a 3 day mini lockdown is possible, and that would tigger a suspension of travel to/from Victoria.

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#2712827 25-May-2021 12:21

tdgeek:

Don't worry, while restrictions are being put in place there, the NZ-AUS travel bubble is unaffected, fill your boots. Unreal.

Its gnomically linked to the case that got out of Quarantine in SA two weeks ago, so it appears they have missed further a transmission chain (s?).. They were tipped off by wastewater tests late last week and are now moving to daily testing of this area and those around it..

Would be interesting to know what the local vaccination rates are like, but data on vaccinations in OZ is rubbish as 2/3 of the vaccine rollout so far has been done at the Federal level and they don't appear to publish state level data... the state data for the remaining 1/3 isn't very helpful either...

It makes NZ's vaccine reporting look amazing....

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