2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2790810 6-Oct-2021 23:35

Fred99:
False negatives are way too high, which leads to the risk that people will test negative, fail to get tested properly, and spread covid - that's even assuming people use the tests correctly if they're available for at-home testing.

From Medsafe:

COVID-19 point of care (POC) test kits use a blood or other bodily sample to detect antigens or antibodies in the body. There is concern, internationally, about the accuracy of POC test kits and the potential for them to be misinterpreted or provide a misleading result. The research to date indicates that these tests are not suitable for diagnostic purposes and have poor reliability. However, work on the accuracy and reliability of this type of test is currently being done.

The DG is authorised to approve them at any time when they're deemed useful for pandemic control.

Legislation is already in place to roll them out if and when it's needed:

https://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0066/latest/LMS451450.html

The discussion is about rappid antigen testing. Your quote from medsafe is referring to antibody blood tests. Two completely different types of tests.

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#2790811 7-Oct-2021 00:03

Handle9: The seven day average has roughly doubled in a week from around 15 to around 30 per day so 2 weeks would be around 120 cases per day, 4 weeks around 500 cases per day.

Totally unmanageable. National emergency level. Bad territory. Field hospitals in town halls and tents.

Even worse, no toilet paper.

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#2790812 7-Oct-2021 00:08

gzt:
Handle9: The seven day average has roughly doubled in a week from around 15 to around 30 per day so 2 weeks would be around 120 cases per day, 4 weeks around 500 cases per day.

Totally unmanageable. National emergency level. Bad territory. Field hospitals in town halls and tents.

Even worse, no toilet paper.

Welcome to living with the virus

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#2790813 7-Oct-2021 00:09

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Fred99:

False negatives are way too high, which leads to the risk that people will test negative, fail to get tested properly, and spread covid - that's even assuming people use the tests correctly if they're available for at-home testing.

The DG is authorised to approve them at any time when they're deemed useful for pandemic control.

Legislation is already in place to roll them out if and when it's needed:

https://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0066/latest/LMS451450.html

The discussion is about rappid antigen testing. Your quote from medsafe is referring to antibody blood tests. Two completely different types of tests.

The Medsafe page and passage quoted references both antigen and antibody testing.

The legislation references Point of Care (not lab) testing not any specific type off test.

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#2790814 7-Oct-2021 00:10

Save yourself. Buy a bidet with an in-built dryer while stocks last.

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#2790815 7-Oct-2021 00:12

gzt: Save yourself. Buy a bidet with an in-built dryer while stocks last.

That got a genuine lol from me.

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#2790836 7-Oct-2021 06:28

Fred99:

TeaLeaf:We have identified many many things the govt is behind on.

No you haven't.

As frustrating as it may seem, you're just someone without any particular expertise on pandemic control, posting random opinions on a forum.

And the people who prepare the independent reports who have pointed multiple issues are.... what, exactly?

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#2790839 7-Oct-2021 07:24

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126599443/icu-plan-for-endemic-covid19-wont-work-due-to-staff-shortages-expert-says

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#2790848 7-Oct-2021 07:54

tdgeek:

Level 4 doesn't work due to non compliance. 97% of cases are non vaccinated, so we vaccinate. It would have been nice to contain AKL, but that hasn't happened, so we vaccinate.

i won't call it non compliance. it is not non compliance. (until recently - but i call that lockdown fatigue)

people were compliant until they saw that it achieved nothing so why carry on

basically level 4 didn't work because of -

criminal https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-hamilton-index-case-has-gang-connections-and-long-history-say-sources/RJDMT47ANTGCSH52R7L67BLAKA/

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#2790850 7-Oct-2021 08:09

Batman: people were compliant until they saw that it achieved nothing so why carry on

New Zealand was so successful at controlling covid that New Zealanders did not see the need to control covid. Well, on reflection, that sounds a bit childish.

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#2790851 7-Oct-2021 08:19

Batman:

i won't call it non compliance. it is not non compliance. (until recently - but i call that lockdown fatigue)

people were compliant until they saw that it achieved nothing so why carry on

basically level 4 didn't work because of -

criminal https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-hamilton-index-case-has-gang-connections-and-long-history-say-sources/RJDMT47ANTGCSH52R7L67BLAKA/

Its non compliance from a few. That means we would never get zero cases as we did in the past, there will always be enough low compliance to keep it simmering

Families, neighbours, gangs call it what you like

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#2790854 7-Oct-2021 08:24

Batman:

basically level 4 didn't work because of -

criminal https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-hamilton-index-case-has-gang-connections-and-long-history-say-sources/RJDMT47ANTGCSH52R7L67BLAKA/

Spokeswoman Louise Hutchinson is adamant that Mongrel Mob Waikato Chapter is not involved in distributing meth, this was on Morning Report a few minutes ago.

I'm really not convinced - but it probably doesn't matter - as if they truly aren't then someone else will be, the virus doesn't care if it's host wears stinking levis or pristine gucci.

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#2790867 7-Oct-2021 08:55

Nah they don't do drugs, no illegal activities, never met anyone during lockdown, didn't visit any location, didn't do nothing. just sit at home watch tv the whole time. no Internet no phones.

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#2790891 7-Oct-2021 09:10

Handle9:

The Medsafe page and passage quoted references both antigen and antibody testing.

The legislation references Point of Care (not lab) testing not any specific type off test.

I agree, they are not useful for every application, but they are most definitely useful and should be, and looks like they will be, part of the "Plan". Hooraa

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#2790896 7-Oct-2021 09:14

They had to give up because they probably knew well before they publicly admitted that there was an underbelly seeding infections who did not respect lockdowns and never would.

I hope NZers have long memories when it comes to remembering this. Gangs are not rotary clubs. However this is verging on political reckoning so I will stop there.

The question is how far has it got during school holidays, and how long until we know about it.

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