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#2800407 24-Oct-2021 17:59

@Eva888:
They shouldn’t get stopped going in, it’s leaving Auckland that’s a problem. They will also have fresh Covid tests to prove they are clean.

border check going both ways with correct paperwork needed/tests if required

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#2800428 24-Oct-2021 19:10

Behodar:

Got a question on behalf of someone at work.

His parents have been in the country for some time, and are due to fly home in a month. They don't have a car and don't speak much English.

The original plan was for him to drive them up to Auckland, act as a translator while they go through checkin etc, then drive back home. But if Auckland's still at level 3 on that date, he's at a bit of a loss as to what to do.

Does anyone know what the process is for this sort of thing?

Web page is here:

https://covid19.govt.nz/travel/permitted-travel-at-different-alert-levels/personal-travel-across-an-alert-level-boundary/list-of-permitted-personal-travel-across-an-alert-level-boundary/#airport-transfer

Note that traveling across a boundary to leave NZ is allowed.

Also note that accompanying somebody that is permuted to travel is also allowed to cross the boundary (incl the unaccompanied leg of the trip). Obviously need to pull together some evidence & do a detailed check on requirements (testing?) etc.

Not sure if non passengers are allowed inside the airport at the moment - Unlikely I would think.

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#2800434 24-Oct-2021 19:35

Scott3:

Not sure if non passengers are allowed inside the airport at the moment - Unlikely I would think.

Nope, only passengers, AVSEC were checking at the door when i went through last week (Domestic)

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#2800437 24-Oct-2021 19:45

Thanks; I'll pass all that on.

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#2800492 24-Oct-2021 20:37

The need for interpreters must be business as usual for international airlines.

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#2800579 25-Oct-2021 08:34

Just to make clear. Passengers only inside the terminal. You can still drop them off at the door.

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#2803174 28-Oct-2021 22:41

Just got forwarded a link to an interesting publication on how to effectively communicate with the vaccine-hesitant.

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#2803177 28-Oct-2021 23:36

neb: Just got forwarded a link to an interesting publication on how to effectively communicate with the vaccine-hesitant.

I didn't find it all that useful. It wasn't much help with those who don't believe the vaccine is effective and that Covid is just like the regular flu, that there are treatments that we're not using that we could be using, etc. Basically fact deniers. For nearly all the anti vaxxers I know that document is useless.

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#2803178 28-Oct-2021 23:39

Technofreak:
Basically fact deniers.

And that attitude is why that document was written. If you're going to communicate with them on that basis then you're right, it's never going to work.

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#2803183 29-Oct-2021 00:08

neb:
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Basically fact deniers.

And that attitude is why that document was written. If you're going to communicate with them on that basis then you're right, it's never going to work.

You've obviously not had conversations with the sort of people I'm talking about. They quote their "facts" which they firmly believe. It doesn't matter whether or not you engage in a "fact off". It doesn't matter if you don't engage on the basis of who is right or wrong.

The anti vaxxers I know see no benefit to anyone around them through them being vaccinated. They don't accept that the vaccinated help protect those around them. As far as the anti vaxxers are concerned, those that see a threat from the virus can get vaccinated to protect themselves there fore the anti vaxxers don't need to get vaccinated. Don’t bother us about having the vaccine. End of story.

When you try to engage to find out their concerns you never get a rational answer. You can’t have a rational conversation with them.

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#2803211 29-Oct-2021 07:14

You've completely missed the audience that the article is targeting.

The anti-vaxxers know that they are the 1%, but they also know that there is a much larger group of hesitant people. The anti-vaxxers know that they must engage with the hesitant, in order to recruit them and gain a larger share of voice. You're asserting that there is only for and against and failing to acknowledge the in-between. If we are to win this fight we too must engage the hesitant, but with trustworthy information and in a manner that may bring them over over.

Your approach will only push them the other way.

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#2803289 29-Oct-2021 08:49

Senecio:

You've completely missed the audience that the article is targeting.

The anti-vaxxers know that they are the 1%, but they also know that there is a much larger group of hesitant people. The anti-vaxxers know that they must engage with the hesitant, in order to recruit them and gain a larger share of voice. You're asserting that there is only for and against and failing to acknowledge the in-between. If we are to win this fight we too must engage the hesitant, but with trustworthy information and in a manner that may bring them over over.

Your approach will only push them the other way.

I haven't missed anything at all.

I was in fact saying that article does not target the anti vaxxers I encounter which are by far the largest subset of the "vaccine hesitant" that I have any dealings with. I know there is a middle ground between the for and against. I encounter very few of the middle ground.

The ones I have experience with are firmly against and they make up much more than 1% of the people in my circles of movement.

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#2803315 29-Oct-2021 09:57

My hairdresser comes to the house. I would class her timid, naive with a low level of education and her connection to news would come from Facebook or YouTube. She is often sickly and so when I called to ask her to come I also asked in a friendly manner if she had been vaccinated yet. When she replied she hadn’t, I gently asked her why and was she scared for some reason because of rumours. Her answer was that she knew she should but just hadn’t gotten around to it.

After talking to her for a while the realisation hit that she actually didn’t know how and where to go and she was hoping just to walk in somewhere and definitely wasn’t comfortable calling to make an appointment because she has low self esteem and felt like she was being a nuisance. It was sad.

I suggested a couple places near her home and told her to drop in and talk with them and they would be very kind and happy to see her. I think there are a lot of people like her that are easily intimidated only because of their own shortcomings. This is a shy girl where every second word uttered is an apology.

It made me realise how we tend to judge people using our own level of intelligence as a benchmark and assuming others know as much as us, but there are a lot of very simple and uneducated people out there who need a different approach and more help understanding what is required and why.

Many are poor, unskilled and struggle through no fault of their own to grasp even simple concepts and who don’t have the skills to search or understand the language of the Press let alone statistics and instructions. These are the silent, underprivileged who need to be targeted with a much simpler approach because of their awe or fear of whoever they deem superior to them.

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#2803977 29-Oct-2021 23:00

It's a pity we're likely to go with e-vaccination-passports because I'd love to get one of these as a vaccine card holder. Very cute.

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#2803980 29-Oct-2021 23:20

Senecio:

You've completely missed the audience that the article is targeting.

The anti-vaxxers know that they are the 1%, but they also know that there is a much larger group of hesitant people. The anti-vaxxers know that they must engage with the hesitant, in order to recruit them and gain a larger share of voice. You're asserting that there is only for and against and failing to acknowledge the in-between. If we are to win this fight we too must engage the hesitant, but with trustworthy information and in a manner that may bring them over over.

Your approach will only push them the other way.

I think you are right about the hesitant.

I have tried to find out how many of the population is affected by phobias associated with vaccination (e.g. fear of needles, injecting things into body etc..).

Its hard to know.

For obvious reasons, a lot of these people don't turn up at medical facilities very often.

I have read estimates ranging from 3-10% of the population.

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