2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2811027 11-Nov-2021 11:00

wellygary:

Batman:

I bought 2 from Aliexpress at NZD5 each and they arrived in 7 days!

Would you really trust your medical health to a $5 device from Aliexpress!!!!

Do you (or anyone else here) have a recommendation for where to buy an oximeter they think is reliable?

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#2811028 11-Nov-2021 11:00

MileHighKiwi:

Businesses failing due to government mandated closures to prevent the spread of a virus is completely different!

Apparently businesses should have months and months of free cashflow locked up in case the government closes their doors in a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic or similar uninsurable risk.

If they don't, they were apparently "going to fail anyway".

I think I need some time away from this thread.

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#2811030 11-Nov-2021 11:03

tdgeek:

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The traffic light system can't exist without vaccine passports - but even if you exclude them the South Island couldn't exist at green right now with the other requirements and conditions.

The green light: Some isolated community transmission

The green light is for when Covid-19 spread is isolated, with hospitalisations at a manageable level.

Seems fairly clear to me, can you clarify what is in those words that excludes what those words mean?

My original question still remains. What are the travel restrictions between different colors?

Or, as with most other aspects of this outbreak, has that not been decided yet?

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#2811032 11-Nov-2021 11:05

Bloomfield has likened dealing with the pandemic to the Lord of the Rings journey.

Big mistake. Most people think the government response has been more like Dad's Army.

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#2811033 11-Nov-2021 11:05

Senecio:

No one will enter the traffic light system at green. When it was first introduced the government went to great lengths to confirm that Auckland will enter at red once we achieve 90% vaxxed. All other DHBs will enter at orange once they achieve 90% vaxxed. The only way to get to green is to transition through orange. I don't know how long that transition will be for a south island community that doesn't have COVID however.

Ah ok.

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#2811042 11-Nov-2021 11:14

tdgeek:

Senecio:

No one will enter the traffic light system at green. When it was first introduced the government went to great lengths to confirm that Auckland will enter at red once we achieve 90% vaxxed. All other DHBs will enter at orange once they achieve 90% vaxxed. The only way to get to green is to transition through orange. I don't know how long that transition will be for a south island community that doesn't have COVID however.

Ah ok.

Let me just roll that back a bit. I went searching for a link to confirm what I remember being said. Whilst I didn't find anything to suggest my understanding was wrong, i also couldn't find anything that said exactly that. So let me just say that it is most likely that other DHBs will enter at Orange.

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#2811043 11-Nov-2021 11:16

SJB:

My original question still remains. What are the travel restrictions between different colors?

Or, as with most other aspects of this outbreak, has that not been decided yet?

Not sure, but "The country could be in multiple lights at once, much as it can be in multiple alert levels at once. However, vaccinated people are likely to be much freer to travel in between these regions." Infers it will be ok to travel. CH says Covid will be everywhere so get vaccinated, so that implies free travel

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#2811048 11-Nov-2021 11:21

MileHighKiwi: Your analogy of a video store is a good example of a sunset business, new technology made it redundant.

Businesses failing due to government mandated closures to prevent the spread of a virus is completely different!

+1 and if I should be so bold - its also not right for businesses to fail due to the Governments/ministries (OIA requests reveal that there was not a significant effort) failure to prepare for an outbreak.

Its easy to blame Aucklanders for their lack of compliance but I think the rest of NZ + government need take a hard look at themselves before casting the first stones.

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#2811057 11-Nov-2021 11:42

MileHighKiwi: Your analogy of a video store is a good example of a sunset business, new technology made it redundant.

Businesses failing due to government mandated closures to prevent the spread of a virus is completely different!

I am not saying that all closures are sunset businesses. Some are, some failed to adapt and some are a result of Covid mitigation. What I am saying that many closures that are being assigned to Covid were closures that were inevitable e.g David Jones in Wellington, a store for days gone by. Now Covid accelerated many of these closures but I put forward that these closures were going to happen in due course. Prior the pandemic commerce was beginning a change cycle that was/is going to be as big a change commercially and socially as the Industrial revolution . E Commerce, climate change, changes in globalisation, changes in trade pacs and alliances all impacting on this change in global commerce. Covid has both accelerated and retarded this change but it has not stopped the overriding change that is taking place. We are not immune to this change and we have to adapt or fade.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2811058 11-Nov-2021 11:45

cokemaster:

Its easy to blame Aucklanders for their lack of compliance but I think the government need take a hard look at themselves before casting the first stones.

Just corrected that last sentence for you.

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#2811061 11-Nov-2021 11:53

Will rapid testing be available before Christmas?

I don't have any problem with double vaxed travelling from red to orange but surely you also need a rapid test to limit spread.

I understand that's not practical for any red/orange/green border within an island but very easy to implement between NI and SI I would have thought.

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#2811068 11-Nov-2021 12:14

MikeB4:

To use the line wrongly assigned to Albert Einstein, that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, and by that I mean if sunset businesses want to survive in the new world they must adapt and not trying to return to 2019.

It's one thing to be totally out of touch with the realities of the situation, but it's a whole other thing to be supercilious and judgemental whilst doing it.

There is a massive difference between operating during a pandemic, and operating in L3 and L4 conditions for 3 months, after already having gone through a lockdown already multiple times this year.

Trying to do this whilst you might have kids at home, trying to learn, potentially in an environment that doesn't lend itself to working nor learning, not to mention the constant uncertainty.

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#2811069 11-Nov-2021 12:21

networkn:

It's one thing to be totally out of touch with the realities of the situation, but it's a whole other thing to be supercilious and judgemental whilst doing it.

There is a massive difference between operating during a pandemic, and operating in L3 and L4 conditions for 3 months, after already having gone through a lockdown already multiple times this year.

Trying to do this whilst you might have kids at home, trying to learn, potentially in an environment that doesn't lend itself to working nor learning, not to mention the constant uncertainty.

Stop cherry picking and stop personally attacking. I have NOT targeted anyone person.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2811071 11-Nov-2021 12:31

SJB:

I understand that's not practical for any red/orange/green border within an island but very easy to implement between NI and SI I would have thought.

In some regions it could be easier than others

There are pretty much only 4 roads going into the east cape/Gisborne area,

Taranaki is only 3, Wellington is only 2.

In the South island the West coast is 3 or 4...

Its actually easier than they make out - But there has to be the political will to do it...

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#2811072 11-Nov-2021 12:45

wellygary:

SJB:

I understand that's not practical for any red/orange/green border within an island but very easy to implement between NI and SI I would have thought.

In some regions it could be easier than others

There are pretty much only 4 roads going into the east cape/Gisborne area,

Taranaki is only 3, Wellington is only 2.

In the South island the West coast is 3 or 4...

Its actually easier than they make out - But there has to be the political will to do it...

I believe a rapid test takes around 15 minutes so taking the test at any road border is not practical unless it is very quiet.

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