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#2812494 14-Nov-2021 09:25

I won't specify which LOI I'm referring to, buy it is very close to home for my anti Vax friend. I hope they're reconsidering their stance, but if the last few days of messages are anything to go by they will double down with the wackery.

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#2812497 14-Nov-2021 09:36

Technofreak: They were also told they could have it that same day if they wanted to pay for it.

This sounds like public/private advice from a GP or consultant. I have never heard of an NZ hospital doing this.

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#2812502 14-Nov-2021 09:46

PolicyGuy: This is all very well, but with cases currently taking at leat two to three years to wind their weary way through the Coroner's Court, these 'under investigation' deaths are only going to get resolved when the "2020/2021/2022 Covid Outbreaks" are of historical interest only. If we get a surge of unvaccinated deaths from Christmas 2021 through winter 2022 - which seems quite likely :( - the whole coronial system will collapse under the strain.

Yes, I really wish we were not going there. In the best of all possible worlds there is still time to avoid it. In the real world I sincerely hope Bloomfield has a good rest for himself over the Xmas period and some regular days off during the next period. Keeping Covid down was hard enough, managing care resources and increasing number of severely affected people and (God help us) deaths during the next period is going to be another level.

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#2812504 14-Nov-2021 09:52

MileHighKiwi: I won't specify which LOI I'm referring to, buy it is very close to home for my anti Vax friend. I hope they're reconsidering their stance, but if the last few days of messages are anything to go by they will double down with the wackery.

I don't have much experience of this, but the impression I get from the anti-vaxers I do know is they simply do not believe Covid-19 is that dangerous, and they are convinced there are treatments for it if people do get it and the push to get people vaccinated is part of a government conspiracy. What purpose that conspiracy is supposed to serve I'm not sure of. I think it varies according to how far down the rabbit hole believers are. My anti-vax friends seem to object just as a matter of principle. They don't want an authority forcing them to put something in their bodies that they may or may not have a problem with.

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#2812505 14-Nov-2021 10:02

Rikkitic:

They don't want an authority forcing them to put something in their bodies that they may or may not have a problem with.

No one is forcing them to do anything. They still have a choice. But like all choices, there are consequences.

It's funny how this argument was the front line in explaining away the housing crisis by implying young Kiwis were reckless with money, chose to spend their money on cafe breakfasts and iPhones, and that houses were actually no less affordable than they ever were ("We paid 23% interest! You have no idea!"), but now when poorly informed Gen Xers want to complain about something, they have no choice and everything is unfair.

I have this written down somewhere for just such an occasion, now where is it...

"Suck it up, butter cup".

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#2812507 14-Nov-2021 10:05

This death at home is very concerning:

Stuff: A grieving daughter whose father died a painful death at home 12 days after contracting Covid-19 says he tried to get help for his worsening health but claims he was told he had normal symptoms and would get better.

The West Auckland woman says her 68-year-old father, who fled a conflict-scarred country 20 years ago for a better future, spent the last five days of his life in agony coughing up blood and was too weak to move, waiting for officials to say he should go to hospital.

Details in the article suggest Healthline was providing Covid management. It's unclear to me if this is standard practice. The outline provided by the article is very concerning.

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#2812509 14-Nov-2021 10:15

gzt:
Technofreak: They were also told they could have it that same day if they wanted to pay for it.

This sounds like public/private advice from a GP or consultant. I have never heard of an NZ hospital doing this.

Yes, it was the GP. It wasn't public/private advice They were told a referral for a publicaly funded Xray would take at least two weeks when in the past it would have been done the same day.

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#2812515 14-Nov-2021 10:32

gzt: This death at home is very concerning:

Stuff: A grieving daughter whose father died a painful death at home 12 days after contracting Covid-19 says he tried to get help for his worsening health but claims he was told he had normal symptoms and would get better.

The West Auckland woman says her 68-year-old father, who fled a conflict-scarred country 20 years ago for a better future, spent the last five days of his life in agony coughing up blood and was too weak to move, waiting for officials to say he should go to hospital.

Details in the article suggest Healthline was providing Covid management. It's unclear to me if this is standard practice. The outline provided by the article is very concerning.

basically healthline is like Samsung hotline.

specialist doctor in hospital is like Samsung chief engineer.

everyone else is somewhere in between.

very sad to be failed by the hotline but why you get the hotline to give advice to covid patient i don't know.

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#2812520 14-Nov-2021 10:37

Technofreak:

They were also told they could have it that same day if they wanted to pay for it. Obviously no money in the bucket.

I don't understand this.. If it can be done in two weeks (and money is available then), but it can't be done now (because of money) what's going on here?

1) Are the providers paid fortnightly?

2) Is there a deliberate delay in the system to hope people go away (or pay for it themselves)?

3) Are the providers paid less publicly than they can get privately, so they put a delay in so the customer pays themselves, maximizing revenue?

4) Something I havent thought of yet?

Otherwise are they not just 'kicking the can down the road?' If it needs doing now, and it will still need doing in two weeks, and it could be done now, isn't doing it now the best outcome for all?

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#2812521 14-Nov-2021 10:37

if you thought Anti vaxxers couldnt get any more stupid. Mind you if it makes them think they can get the vaccine now as it wont matter then i say lets spread it around.

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-vaccine-holdouts-caving-mandates-110008317.html

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#2812524 14-Nov-2021 10:55

gzt: This death at home is very concerning:

Stuff: A grieving daughter whose father died a painful death at home 12 days after contracting Covid-19 says he tried to get help for his worsening health but claims he was told he had normal symptoms and would get better.

The West Auckland woman says her 68-year-old father, who fled a conflict-scarred country 20 years ago for a better future, spent the last five days of his life in agony coughing up blood and was too weak to move, waiting for officials to say he should go to hospital.

Details in the article suggest Healthline was providing Covid management. It's unclear to me if this is standard practice. The outline provided by the article is very concerning.

Isn't this why we have 111 ??

Ambo's in PPE is a 1000% better than a phone chat, even a video chat.

Yes the father may have fled from a totalitarian system where you do as you are told or be imprisoned or shot or just ignored but the daughter at least should have known better.

There are a few holes in this journalistic sensationalised story. It is these stories that feed the hesitant and anti-vaxxers and the journo's and media should be ashamed of themselves.

There should be no excuse or recourse for not calling the emergency services.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2812534 14-Nov-2021 11:19

danielparker:

Technofreak:

They were also told they could have it that same day if they wanted to pay for it. Obviously no money in the bucket.

I don't understand this.. If it can be done in two weeks (and money is available then), but it can't be done now (because of money) what's going on here?

1) Are the providers paid fortnightly?

2) Is there a deliberate delay in the system to hope people go away (or pay for it themselves)?

3) Are the providers paid less publicly than they can get privately, so they put a delay in so the customer pays themselves, maximizing revenue?

4) Something I havent thought of yet?

Otherwise are they not just 'kicking the can down the road?' If it needs doing now, and it will still need doing in two weeks, and it could be done now, isn't doing it now the best outcome for all?

Daniel

Number 2 on your list from what I can tell. The GP had nothing to gain by the patient opting to pay.

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#2812542 14-Nov-2021 11:33

Technofreak:

danielparker:

Technofreak: "They were also told they could have it that same day if they wanted to pay for it. Obviously no money in the bucket."

I don't understand this.. If it can be done in two weeks (and money is available then), but it can't be done now (because of money) what's going on here?

1) Are the providers paid fortnightly?

2) Is there a deliberate delay in the system to hope people go away (or pay for it themselves)?

3) Are the providers paid less publicly than they can get privately, so they put a delay in so the customer pays themselves, maximizing revenue?

4) Something I havent thought of yet?

Otherwise are they not just 'kicking the can down the road?' If it needs doing now, and it will still need doing in two weeks, and it could be done now, isn't doing it now the best outcome for all?

Daniel

Number 2 on your list from what I can tell. The GP had nothing to gain by the patient opting to pay.

Not number 2, number 3

For "Public" patients:

If the X-Ray is to be done in a public hospital, there are capacity limits and it will apparently take two weeks to come to the front of the queue.
If the X-Ray is to be done outside the public hospital system, then the X-Ray provider will be funded for up to so many public sector X-rays a week/month/quarter, and they will have additional capacity that they reserve for private patients, who pay more.
Also, private patients pay on the spot on their way out of the premises, I suspect that public patients get a monthly reimbursement from their local DHB / ACC, maybe four to eight weeks after the fact ("20th of the month following")

For "Private" patients:

Go into the much shorter private queue at your X-Ray provider, pay a bit (?lots?) more. If you are lucky, your Health Insurance provider will pick up most of the tab

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#2812546 14-Nov-2021 11:45

Covid confirmed in Rotorua and the Tararua District (between Masterton and Woodville by the looks)

Also Waste Water at Mt Maunganui and Tauranga showing it up

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#2812550 14-Nov-2021 12:06

So pretty much what we all thought would happen. Great.

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