GV27:

 

So pretty much what we all thought would happen. Great. 

 

i'm in the deep south and we expect to get covid for christmas

It was inevitable that it would be all over the North Island by the end of this month, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the South Island. 

I am planning to travel from Wellington to the South Island for Christmas as I do every year so I hoping that can still go ahead, at least with a vaccine certificate. 

FineWine:

Isn't this why we have 111 ??

Ambo's in PPE is a 1000% better than a phone chat, even a video chat.

Yes the father may have fled from a totalitarian system where you do as you are told or be imprisoned or shot or just ignored but the daughter at least should have known better.

There are a few holes in this journalistic sensationalised story. It is these stories that feed the hesitant and anti-vaxxers and the journo's and media should be ashamed of themselves.

There should be no excuse or recourse for not calling the emergency services.

alasta:

 

It was inevitable that it would be all over the North Island by the end of this month, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the South Island. 

 

I am planning to travel from Wellington to the South Island for Christmas as I do every year so I hoping that can still go ahead, at least with a vaccine certificate. 

 

it's a flight, a drive, a ferry, a boat, a truck, a train away.

just a matter of time

gzt: This death at home is very concerning:

Stuff: A grieving daughter whose father died a painful death at home 12 days after contracting Covid-19 says he tried to get help for his worsening health but claims he was told he had normal symptoms and would get better.

The West Auckland woman says her 68-year-old father, who fled a conflict-scarred country 20 years ago for a better future, spent the last five days of his life in agony coughing up blood and was too weak to move, waiting for officials to say he should go to hospital.

Details in the article suggest Healthline was providing Covid management. It's unclear to me if this is standard practice. The outline provided by the article is very concerning.

The full interview with the daughter on Newshub raised a lot of very serious concerns.

We should also be greatly concerned that it appears many isolating at home have not been provided with pulse oximeters which at it's very basis is the one critical thing that everybody who has Covid and has symptoms needs access to.

It was inevitable. Just a matter of time. Too late for vaccinations now but maybe this will push the procrastinators to get them anyway. That will still help the survivors later. 

gzt:

FineWine:

 

Isn't this why we have 111 ??

 

Ambo's in PPE is a 1000% better than a phone chat, even a video chat.

 

Yes the father may have fled from a totalitarian system where you do as you are told or be imprisoned or shot or just ignored but the daughter at least should have known better.

 

There are a few holes in this journalistic sensationalised story. It is these stories that feed the hesitant and anti-vaxxers and the journo's and media should be ashamed of themselves.

 

There should be no excuse or recourse for not calling the emergency services.

 

Advisors on Healthline are registered and experienced nurses for a reason. In my experience calling up with various child related conditions - after they provide advice they will usually recommend heading to the doctor or hospital immediately in many cases. The Stuff article gives the experience of family members who say they were advised it was just a bad stage and people get through it. My immediate concern is Healthline may have been given covid management guidelines and these are not fit for purpose. The patient's previous country of residence is not relevant imo.

In the post I was quoting, it stated;

"spent the last five days of his life in agony coughing up blood and was too weak to move, waiting for officials to say he should go to hospital."

From a retired Nurse perspective - see my profile in left hand column

You use terms; "Advisors on Healthline are registered and experienced nurses for a reason." 

Whether the Health Line guidelines are fit for purpose or not, what part of agony or coughing up blood does not ring alarm bells !

If the patient had informed the Health Line of those signs & symptoms and the Advisors on Healthline are registered and experienced nurses they would have advised the patient to immediately go to A&E or ring 111. If they did not do that then they should face a disciplinary enquiry.

sbiddle: The full interview with the daughter on Newshub raised a lot of very serious concerns

We should also be greatly concerned that it appears many isolating at home have not been provided with pulse oximeters which at it's very basis is the one critical thing that everybody who has Covid and has symptoms needs access to.

Oblivian: Ie was it first hand information from the daughter being there, or is it what the father has told her over the time prior to,

gzt:

Oximeters. My understanding is oximeters are so cheap they are almost disposable. Factories seem to be pumping them out like toy cars. No doubt many are not suited to clinical case management, but it's indicative of cost and availability I would have thought.

Since Apple introduced their iWatch with Oximetry, I wonder how much has C-19 driven their sales ?

Another good Kiwi article here on: How to use a pulse oximeter in adults

Though the article is for Adults it can easily be used for pre-adolescent kids if you add in: rise and fall, work of chest and shoulders and head bobbing, especially for infants.

When I was nursing here in NZ I used to print articles off to give to patients from this site. This is a another very useful tool in your home First Aid Kit.

Bookmark it.

Has anyone else noticed that Our World In Data appears to have changed they methodology/base data?

In the past we were around 77% vaccinated (single does), just behind Denmark, which meant the NZ figures where probably about 2% on the optimistic side, since OWID were using some out of date population data.

Now they have us at 74%, which is 2% below the MoH, where was are at 76% vaccinated (single dose).

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=NZL+AUS+USA+GBR+JPN+PRT+ESP+DNK+NOR+ISR
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#total-vaccinations

Does anyone know why the difference?

OWID might lag behind the MoH figures, but OWID usually show when the data is more than 1-2 days out of date and we are only gaining a fraction of a percent each day. These days 2% is equal to 1-2 weeks of NZ vaccination.