2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2445920 25-Mar-2020 00:27

mattwnz:

What I fond interesting from some of the graphs were the death rates. UK's percentage is 5% which looks very high IMO at this stage. Whereas some other countries it is quite a low percentage. I wonder if part of it will be due to the amount of testing being done, so there could be a lot of people who have it, but they aren't being tested, and they also may be quite mild.

The death rates will mean very little until antibody tests are widely available and even then will be lower than they should be because of the lack of testing for severe cases or post mortum testing and how a country decides to classify deaths(ie if they are covid caused or if it contributed in addition to other medical issues). You then also have the deaths of people who need unrelated ICU care but didn't receive it because of the hospitals being overloaded.

The real way we will know is months down the track comparing average deaths(by season) of previous years vs 2019/20 and how many people test with antibodies(assuming they last a reasonable length of time).

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#2445921 25-Mar-2020 00:40

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danielparker:

I live next to the Waikato River. I have a Jetski. I can (and do) launch it into the river from my property with 0% chance of me seeing anyone outside of my 'bubble'. I dont have to travel anywhere.

I would be lucky to pass by 1 person per hour on the river, and certainly not closer than 2m (probably 50m) on a normal weekend day.

In my mind, this is fine, and will be within the level 4 rules.

Sigh. The law is just the floor. Just because it's within the law, it doesn't mean it's a good idea. If you have an accident, it will likely be quite serious and hospitalisation will be required. The hospital and doctors have enough to do -- trust me, I know because I live with one who works in the very department (albeit in a different hospital) that will be your first port of call in the event of an accident.

Here is the approved list for @danielparker and @kobiak and others. It covers the relevant activities and locations all around NZ.

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#2445922 25-Mar-2020 00:43

133 from the Ruby Princess have now tested positive, not great..

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#2445935 25-Mar-2020 01:43

sonyxperiageek: Ah yup, fair enough. Ignore me!

I've just been hearing so many different types of stories (in real life from different people groups, and on the internet) you just can't believe anything anymore lol

Hey, nothing wrong with a bit of reading (lord knows there aint much else to do) - just approach everything with a healthy amount of scepticism. Double check everything!

You know how many times I've heard that COVID-19 "seems to be spreading quickly via fuel pumps" (hint: it's not) and "assistant director of nursing advised to sip warm water every 20 minutes as it washes the virus into your stomach where your gastric juices will dissolve it" (hint: it won't)?

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#2445936 25-Mar-2020 02:04

Kyanar:

sonyxperiageek: Ah yup, fair enough. Ignore me!

I've just been hearing so many different types of stories (in real life from different people groups, and on the internet) you just can't believe anything anymore lol

Hey, nothing wrong with a bit of reading (lord knows there aint much else to do) - just approach everything with a healthy amount of scepticism. Double check everything!

You know how many times I've heard that COVID-19 "seems to be spreading quickly via fuel pumps" (hint: it's not) and "assistant director of nursing advised to sip warm water every 20 minutes as it washes the virus into your stomach where your gastric juices will dissolve it" (hint: it won't)?

Completely agree. That is why it is really important to present links or attribution for stories. It lets people check the quality of the source.

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#2445941 25-Mar-2020 05:44

The New York Times - China Spins Tale That the U.S. Army Started the Coronavirus Epidemic

Published March 13, 2020

BEIJING - China is pushing a new theory about the origins of the coronavirus: It is an American disease that might have been introduced by members of the United States Army who visited Wuhan in October.

There is not a shred of evidence to support that, but the notion received an official endorsement from China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, whose spokesman accused American officials of not coming clean about what they know about the disease.

The intentional spreading of an unfounded conspiracy theory - which recirculated on China’s tightly controlled internet on Friday - punctuated a downward spiral in relations between the two countries that has been fueled by the basest instincts of officials on both sides.

(my bolding)

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#2445944 25-Mar-2020 06:14

BBC News - Coronavirus: India to enter 'total lockdown' after spike in cases

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India is to impose a nationwide lockdown in an attempt to slow the spread of the coronavirus, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has announced.

The restrictions will apply from midnight local time and will be enforced for 21 days.

"There will be a total ban on venturing out of your homes," Mr Modi said in a televised address.

India - which has a population of 1.3bn - joins a growing list of countries that have imposed similar measures.

Nearly 400,000 people have tested positive for the virus worldwide, and around 17,000 have died.

The new measures follow a sharp increase in cases in recent days.

There have been 519 confirmed cases in India and 10 reported deaths.

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#2445946 25-Mar-2020 06:29

BBC News - Huge jump in Italy death toll

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Italy has just reported a jump of 743 deaths in the past day - 141 more than Monday.

Thursday: 427 (3,405 in total)
Friday: 627 (4,032)
Saturday: 793 (4,825)
Sunday: 651 (5,476)
Monday: 602 (6,078)
Tuesday: 743 (6,820)

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#2445953 25-Mar-2020 07:48

From my niece in Texas

"People are freaking out.

There is drive thru in the parking lot we screen in. We just had a patient lie about exposure to get in the clinic.

If they have cough, shortness of breath, fever, chronic illness, exposure to person with lab confirmed covid19, and/or are a healthcare worker they can’t come in .

It’s a pretty long line so to skip it, the guy denied everything.

Theh he told my Medical Assistant he has a cough and his roommate is positive for covid19.

She had him leave and go to the drive thru but he’d been in our lobby and back office already.

They’re masking everyone up front and we’re always masked.

Hopefully it’s enough"

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#2445954 25-Mar-2020 07:50

Kyanar:

Australia just banned leaving. At all. Still no support for the over half a million NZers stuck here, many of whom will be employed in the laundry list of locked down industries.

They had plenty of time to get out. This was clearly happening.

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#2445955 25-Mar-2020 07:51

TV1 and TV3 are still not getting it. There was a short trailer for some show going to air shortly after 9am showing the presenters standing shoulder to shoulder. Their Breakfast show (blue team) have a new set-up with chairs and a small coffee table for the laptops. They are nearly 2 metres apart but if they lean forward to use the laptops they won't be 2 metres apart. TV3 morning show with Duncan G & crew maybe 1.5 metres. My read on these half hearted changes by both channels is that they are scared viewing numbers will drop & advertising revenue will drop. I bet they have research to show that close engagement between the hosts is a key determiner of viewer numbers.

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#2445956 25-Mar-2020 07:53

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#2445963 25-Mar-2020 08:02

DS248:
Interesting stats and analysis here https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

It's a bit disturbing that they're are no African countries listed, except Egypt and Burkina Faso.

Either they are very lucky on the continent, or they're not testing as much as they need to.

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#2445964 25-Mar-2020 08:05

iamaelephant:
Kyanar:

Australia just banned leaving. At all. Still no support for the over half a million NZers stuck here, many of whom will be employed in the laundry list of locked down industries.

They had plenty of time to get out. This was clearly happening.

You don't get the point do you?

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#2445966 25-Mar-2020 08:07

iamaelephant:

Kyanar:

Australia just banned leaving. At all. Still no support for the over half a million NZers stuck here, many of whom will be employed in the laundry list of locked down industries.

They had plenty of time to get out. This was clearly happening.

And go where? These are people who live and work in Australia, well established, part of the community etc

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