2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2507779 18-Jun-2020 22:24

And now this!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/public-wedding-party-allowed-at-auckland-quarantine-hotel.html

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#2507780 18-Jun-2020 22:26

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And now this!

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/public-wedding-party-allowed-at-auckland-quarantine-hotel.html

nah she'll be right

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#2507782 18-Jun-2020 22:29

And further poor risk management procedures

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/health-academic-raised-concerns-about-novotel-ellerslie-quarantine-with-ministry-of-health-13-days-before-new-cases.html

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#2507783 18-Jun-2020 22:44

wow the media is not helping , that story about the wedding party is a non event, basically they had a party in a big room that at one stage people in isolation may have used for exercise . it's like they smell chum in the water and they wont be happy until the country is back in level 4 .

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2507787 18-Jun-2020 23:07

vexxxboy:

wow the media is not helping , that story about the wedding party is a non event, basically they had a party in a big room that at one stage people in isolation may have used for exercise . it's like they smell chum in the water and they wont be happy until the country is back in level 4 .

Given that COVID-19 can survive on surfaces for up to three day's, using the space that was recently an exercise facility by those who have returned from COVID-19 hotspots, I would be concerned.

Given that it appears fairly common that the general public mingles with those in isolation, it does not appear that managed isolation facilities are running a red and green zone system. (Avatar crew, chief ombudsman's staff, People in office towers Quarantine hotel in Ellerslie where the parking lots were used as an exercise facility). As such it is not surprising that the public would rather not enter isolation hotels at all.

With regards to the media, I think they are just following public sentiment. They have obviously worked out that stories about issues with the isolation system attract a high public interests (and with it clicks, and advertising revenue). It is not surprising they have gone looking for them. Sadly such stories seem easy to find.

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#2507802 18-Jun-2020 23:30

Scott3:

vexxxboy:

wow the media is not helping , that story about the wedding party is a non event, basically they had a party in a big room that at one stage people in isolation may have used for exercise . it's like they smell chum in the water and they wont be happy until the country is back in level 4 .

Given that COVID-19 can survive on surfaces for up to three day's, using the space that was recently an exercise facility by those who have returned from COVID-19 hotspots, I would be concerned.

Given that it appears fairly common that the general public mingles with those in isolation, it does not appear that managed isolation facilities are running a red and green zone system. (Avatar crew, chief ombudsman's staff, People in office towers Quarantine hotel in Ellerslie where the parking lots were used as an exercise facility). As such it is not surprising that the public would rather not enter isolation hotels at all.

With regards to the media, I think they are just following public sentiment. They have obviously worked out that stories about issues with the isolation system attract a high public interests (and with it clicks, and advertising revenue). It is not surprising they have gone looking for them. Sadly such stories seem easy to find.

To be honest, these hotel IMO should be totally isolated from the NZ public. We are trusting our entire economy and potentially hundreds of billions of dollars on the virus not sneaking into the community, through these hotels. It is just madness. Also the rumour of a homeless person getting a free stay for 2 weeks as he snuck in with other passengers?. Aren't they even checking flightlogs, and if a homeless person can sneak in, what stops someone on the flight getting out? It seems so mickey mouse. Also apparently it has been run by the defense force for the last couple of weeks according to news hub. So it doesn't appear to have been a new appointment. There have been warning signs things weren't up to scratch for a while. Why do we need this sort of event to occur to get things done properly? NZ seems to be 'such a ambulance at the bottom of the cliff country' We haven't learnt from the fact that we allowed this virus into NZ the first time, due to our 'self isolation' system, and it spread into the community, which put trust in people to do the right thing.

We spent over 100 billion to get rid of the virus, and got the chance for a total do over, only to risk it spreading back into the community again. Madness.

I am just waiting for sometime in the future, for them to say that is it no long practical, to expect NZ to remain covid free in the community, because I can't see us going back to level 4 if we do get CT occurring. But the only reason that would occur, is if it sneaks back through our leaky borders. It certainly isn't 'watertight' like we were led to believe.

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#2507803 18-Jun-2020 23:30

DS248:

And further poor risk management procedures

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/06/health-academic-raised-concerns-about-novotel-ellerslie-quarantine-with-ministry-of-health-13-days-before-new-cases.html

And of course the kings and queens of the MoH didn't bother to respond to her letter. Too busy living it up. Our international reputation is being shredded and absolutely deservedly. The way this is going, we'll soon become a laughing stock.

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#2507804 18-Jun-2020 23:35

18 arrivals allowed to attend a burial and only half tested beforehand

"The two groups travelled separately to and from the burial in private vehicles. The two staff accompanying them followed in a separate vehicle. Both the staff and 18 guests wore masks throughout the visit," a Ministry spokesman said.

Health Ministry rules issued on June 9 stated exemptions for funerals would no longer be allowed. Also on this date, people leaving quarantine were required to return a negative test first.

The Ministry says the group got an exemption prior to the June 9 rule so they were allowed out without any testing.

Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield said the risk of letting the two groups out was managed appropriately

"There was very strict protocol," he said in a press conference. "There were two groups there - one at the end of their isolation period [who] were all tested and tested negative before they were allowed out.

"The other nine were transferred to Christchurch - very strict protocols. They watched the funeral remotely and then were escorted in two small groups very carefully out to observe the burial from a distance. Then [they went] back into managed isolation facility."

Why did the rest of us have to bear this risk? And more importantly, who but a brain-damaged fool would believe a word from Bloomfield? NZ is well and truly blowing it.

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#2507808 19-Jun-2020 00:50

Handle9:
Technofreak:

I somehow suspect there is. Apparently there's something like 10,000 permanent residents trying to get back to New Zealand. At the moment they're not getting a look in as all of the spaces are being taken up by New Zealand citizens.

I think there may be eventually but the bottle neck currently seems to be getting to NZ, not quarantine capacity.

What I'm not clear on is if the government is deliberately limiting passenger operations to match the quarantine capacity.

For example Emirates is flying 3 times a week to Auckland with 777. They are passenger planes solely carrying freight. They can immediately move those to carry passengers as well, if there is demand and they are allowed to.

Emirates will be carrying passengers from 1st of July.

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#2507820 19-Jun-2020 07:17

Scott3:

vexxxboy:

wow the media is not helping , that story about the wedding party is a non event, basically they had a party in a big room that at one stage people in isolation may have used for exercise . it's like they smell chum in the water and they wont be happy until the country is back in level 4 .

Given that COVID-19 can survive on surfaces for up to three day's, using the space that was recently an exercise facility by those who have returned from COVID-19 hotspots, I would be concerned.

Given that it appears fairly common that the general public mingles with those in isolation, it does not appear that managed isolation facilities are running a red and green zone system. (Avatar crew, chief ombudsman's staff, People in office towers Quarantine hotel in Ellerslie where the parking lots were used as an exercise facility). As such it is not surprising that the public would rather not enter isolation hotels at all.

With regards to the media, I think they are just following public sentiment. They have obviously worked out that stories about issues with the isolation system attract a high public interests (and with it clicks, and advertising revenue). It is not surprising they have gone looking for them. Sadly such stories seem easy to find.

guarantee nothing will come of it and before the 2 woman went on their trip you would have heard nothing about it as it is not a big story. It is not all media it seems to be only Stuff who seems that since they need money to survive they are now almost making up stories .

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2507825 19-Jun-2020 07:32

What the above is showing is systemic failures in the quarantine and isolation process. Taken each in isolation you could almost just shrug, but together it appears the whole system is flawed from mingling to multiple use of facilities to lack of testing.

Not what the country deserves.

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#2507829 19-Jun-2020 07:55

My brother in law recently returned to Australia from a deployment to Korea. He had to spend a period of isolation in Korea confined to base and on return to Australia was taken directly to a Hotel. He was not allowed to leave his room for 14 days and had to exercise in the room. His food which he could not select himself was delivered to the door, they knocked and after the staff left he could get his food. His only contact with his wife was per phone as she stood in the carpark across the road.

If Australia, not renowned for great government can get it right why the hell can't we do it right. Can it really be that hard?

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#2507831 19-Jun-2020 07:58

vexxxboy:

guarantee nothing will come of it and before the 2 woman went on their trip you would have heard nothing about it as it is not a big story. It is not all media it seems to be only Stuff who seems that since they need money to survive they are now almost making up stories .

Pointing out the gulf between supposedly rock-solid procedures and their actual implementation is 'making stuff up'? We keep getting spun lines about how on-top of things the Govt is and how they're receiving international praise for their response, but there have been numerous instances where hype and reality don't match.

This is a $60b bet we're making with money we've borrowed from our grandchildren, and we're leaving our cards face up on the table while we chat up the bar maids. There's already one other person at that facility with those women who has Covid19 symptoms. How many were released from it while they were there and mixing freely without being tested?

If you want to blame the media for what is clearly repeated instances of poor practice from government departments then go right ahead, but you're missing the actual problem.

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#2507833 19-Jun-2020 08:00

MikeB4:

My brother in law recently returned to Australia from a deployment to Korea. He had to spend a period of isolation in Korea confined to base and on return to Australia was taken directly to a Hotel. He was not allowed to leave his room for 14 days and had to exercise in the room. His food which he could not select himself was delivered to the door, they knocked and after the staff left he could get his food. His only contact with his wife was per phone as she stood in the carpark across the road.

If Australia, not renowned for great government can get it right why the hell can't we do it right. Can it really be that hard?

It should be relatively easy, you dont need many rules at all. As long as you have the required number of staff to patrol doors, coordinate movement, I cant see the issue. Hotel people do the feeding and cleaning

Here is a media article on who could be sacked and why

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/300037837/heads-have-to-roll-over-border-catastrophe-but-whose-head-should-it-be

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#2507836 19-Jun-2020 08:03

Geektastic:

Clearly, someone has a very different idea of what quarantine means than I do.

To me, it is tantamount to a benign prison. You cannot mix with other 'guests', you cannot leave the premises because burly fellows with dogs, tasers etc are there to prevent you. You cannot abscond to attend a gang tangi. You cannot drive yourself to Wellington. Etc.

What it isn't is a voluntary stay in a hotel on your own recognisance.

There are two levels of isolation for people coming into NZ:

1. Quarantine, which is basically locked in a room, is for people with symptoms

2. Mandatory isolation, which allows contact-free exercise outside and exemptions, is for people without symptoms

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