Lias:

Jase2985:

so because of that we should do nothing?

At a governmental level? Yes. If individuals want to feel better about 'doing their part' for climate change they are most welcome to do so, but the government shouldn't be mandating increased costs for everyone over a rounding error of global emissions.

 

Scott3: The key issue is that under current policy that an EV will pay triple the road tax of a yaris hybrid in 2022.
Really as a country we want to encourage people to buy EV's rather than yaris hybrids, so this will be the wrong way around. 

 

Due to a change in circumstances my parents may be looking at a brand new Yaris (latest 2020 model) soon and i see there are 2 options available for this, being petrol or hybrid.
It's $2,000 more to go hybrid on the base GX model / $3k more on the fancier ZR.

Both styles have similar fuel tank sizes and 3 cylinder 1.5l engines, and similar overall power capabilities. 
The hybrid petrol engine is much less powerful on it's own though, so suggests it's tuned much more for low emissions.

CO2 Emissions Combined are 114 g/km for the standard and 76 g/km for the hybrid.

As an intermediate step, the Hybrid does look appealing. 
It will cut emissions and lower petrol consumption, whilst still offering the range safety of petrol.
(Not sure on the current situation around costs/availability/eco friendliness of replacing spent EV battery packs).

Lias:

 

Jase2985:

 

so because of that we should do nothing?

 

 

At a governmental level? Yes. If individuals want to feel better about 'doing their part' for climate change they are most welcome to do so, but the government shouldn't be mandating increased costs for everyone over a rounding error of global emissions.

 

 

 

What’s the global cutoff for governmental action?

So, a car would have to do about 4.46l/100k?

Wow, that wouldn't leave much on the road. So, it will be a while, then, before any effect?

MikeB4:

 

Bollocks, of course the Government should be involved. Replies in threads like this always show the force is needed to make people change.

Disagree completely. When electric cars become better than petrol cars then people will by them.

The same thing happened with lightbulbs, the government was all about banning GLS bulbs (then got voted out) by the time they got back in again, almost no one would consider buying a GLS lamp. LEDs are just better

linw:

 

So, a car would have to do about 4.46l/100k?

 

Wow, that wouldn't leave much on the road. So, it will be a while, then, before any effect?

 

Mine does about 12l/100 so around 280g per km

mdooher:

 

MikeB4:

 

Bollocks, of course the Government should be involved. Replies in threads like this always show the force is needed to make people change.

 

 

 

Disagree completely. When electric cars become better than petrol cars then people will by them.

 

The same thing happened with lightbulbs, the government was all about banning GLS bulbs (then got voted out) by the time they got back in again, almost no one would consider buying a GLS lamp. LEDs are just better

 

EV's already are better than petrol cars 😉

The problem is for most budgets they're more expensive than the non-EV equivalent. At the upper-midrange to premium level, EVs are about the same price now. 

mdooher:

 

 

 

Disagree completely. When electric cars become better than petrol cars then people will by them.

 

The same thing happened with lightbulbs, the government was all about banning GLS bulbs (then got voted out) by the time they got back in again, almost no one would consider buying a GLS lamp. LEDs are just better

 

It is precisely what government is there for to apply laws and policy etc. In other words to govern. As for EVs they are better than ICE now.

Obraik:

 

EV's already are better than petrol cars 😉

 

The problem is for most budgets they're more expensive than the non-EV equivalent. At the upper-midrange to premium level, EVs are about the same price now. 

 

Depends what you mean by "better", show me an EV that can be refuelled as fast as my car

My 15 year old car still goes as far on one refuel as it did when it came off the production line

When I sell my car It will still go just as far 

At the moment (they way I use it) no EV is "better" than my car

one day this will change, when it does, I'm in (if we have an electricity grid that can support it)

linw:

 

So, a car would have to do about 4.46l/100k?

 

Wow, that wouldn't leave much on the road. So, it will be a while, then, before any effect?

 

Yeah seems that way...

I had a quick look through the Ford website and they only sell a couple of PHEV models that meet the requirements. There is going to be some HUGE runout sales soon :)

MikeB4:

Lias:

 

Ugh.

 

 

 

New Zealand's emissions are ~0.17% of global emissions. Slightly reducing the impact of cars here isn't going to do diddly.

 

 

 

 

 

That is a very silly notion and an extension of the NIMBY attitude.

Where he is confused/head in the sand is that the back yard is the Earth. Its not about countries its about people acting. 7.9 billion of us, all have equal shares. Governments are just a convenient way to manage the back yard in sections, but its oft used as an excuse. How much pollution does an American driving a car produce compared to a Kiwi driving the same car?

Not sure what the fuss is about - most new vehicles already likely meet this standard anyhow. I believe is Europe now the standard is 95g CO2/Km for cars (I think it started this year?)

mdooher:

 

Obraik:

 

EV's already are better than petrol cars 😉

 

The problem is for most budgets they're more expensive than the non-EV equivalent. At the upper-midrange to premium level, EVs are about the same price now. 

 

 

Depends what you mean by "better", show me an EV that can be refuelled as fast as my car

 

My 15 year old car still goes as far on one refuel as it did when it came off the production line

 

When I sell my car It will still go just as far 

 

At the moment (they way I use it) no EV is "better" than my car

 

one day this will change, when it does, I'm in (if we have an electricity grid that can support it)

 

 

 

For nearly everyone, fueling a car that quickly is not a requirement. For the EVs that exist to day with 400-500km of range, that's 4-5 hours at a minimum of driving - no one should be driving that long non-stop. On those sort of journeys most people need to stop for food at some point, a 20-30 minute stop is all that's required to gain back 80% again. The car will be ready to go again before the driver is.

ICE vehicles lose range as they age too and require parts to be replaced to continue the same efficiency as when they were new. Nearly all new EVs (minus the Leaf) have thermally managed batteries so their range reduction as they age is minimal. There are many examples of Tesla's with over 500k km's on a single pack while still having over 90% of their factory range remaining.