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#2693084 15-Apr-2021 10:32

I have never really understood the point of short range EVs because I seem to manage all of my daily short trips on foot or public transport, with the exception of the weekly supermarket shop.

Each to their own I guess.

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#2693094 15-Apr-2021 10:48

alasta:

I have never really understood the point of short range EVs because I seem to manage all of my daily short trips on foot or public transport, with the exception of the weekly supermarket shop.

Each to their own I guess.

Umm, try meeting children's needs in the modern world without a vehicle!

The needs of families are typically quite different to those without dependants. You'll find many parents are doing numerous short trips to take their kids to school, to sport, to music etc, let alone to get themselves to work. And these short trips are particularly inefficient in an ICE-powered car - our Leaf works absolutely brilliantly for these duties.

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#2693108 15-Apr-2021 10:54

alasta:

I have never really understood the point of short range EVs because I seem to manage all of my daily short trips on foot or public transport, with the exception of the weekly supermarket shop.

Each to their own I guess.

That would depend on you definition of "short range" I suspect.

In our case the work commute (prior to post-COVID WFH), or many shopping trips, entails a 60km round trip. Perfect for our Leaf and as we are situated rurally the options of foot or cycle aren't practical and public transport is non-existent.

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#2693232 15-Apr-2021 13:09

NorthernZone: We're hearing a lot about big price increases coming for electricity. That won't help EV uptake, will it?

Only for people who don't do their research. My EV uses 14kw/hr per 100 km. At my present electricity rates (which have just risen as you say) it costs me $4.28 per 100 km. That is way cheaper than petrol, and electricity would have rise by 583% to match petrol.

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#2693250 15-Apr-2021 13:30

HarmLessSolutions:

alasta:

I have never really understood the point of short range EVs because I seem to manage all of my daily short trips on foot or public transport, with the exception of the weekly supermarket shop.

Each to their own I guess.

That would depend on you definition of "short range" I suspect.

In our case the work commute (prior to post-COVID WFH), or many shopping trips, entails a 60km round trip. Perfect for our Leaf and as we are situated rurally the options of foot or cycle aren't practical and public transport is non-existent.

It's an education thing. I did my research, knew my Leaf's range was relatively short to begin with an within a few years it would no longer be able to get me to work and back without a charge in the middle (Warkworth to Newmarket and back) and I am now in that place. But I went in eyes wide open. The average person who buys especially an older cheap Leaf and finds that a 60km round trip is the best they can hope to make safely might feel a bit hard done by, even if 60km round trips are actually 90% of their usage.

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#2693800 16-Apr-2021 13:27

Mercedes' competitive pricing may have already paid off. Tesla has just dropped the Model 3 by $5k across the range. The SR+ now starts at $69,900

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#2693835 16-Apr-2021 14:14

Obraik:

Mercedes' competitive pricing may have already paid off. Tesla has just dropped the Model 3 by $5k across the range. The SR+ now starts at $69,900

Did any specs change?

Prices in OZ were cut about 6 months ago, when they started pricing the 2021 model, looks like the NZ prices have finally caught up

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2020-tesla-model-3-price-drops-by-up-to-7000-spec-upgrade-for-australian-models-124418

it may also indicate stock now being supplied out of Shanghai?

EDIT: Just pulled the data from the Motor Vehicle Register- Model 3s have been coming from China since February 2021

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#2693839 16-Apr-2021 14:25

Obraik:

Mercedes' competitive pricing may have already paid off. Tesla has just dropped the Model 3 by $5k across the range. The SR+ now starts at $69,900

Aren't Tesla looking at releasing a lower priced model anyway. eg A model 2. Overtime prices for these things should drop a lot. I think in 5 years, the prices today will look very high as competition heats up. Just a pity some Japanese manufacturers seem so far behind, like Toyota and Mazda. Mazda have recently released their EV overseas based on the CX30 platform, but the range is terrible, and the design is also boxy and bland, compared to their normal styling. Toyota have only recently move to lithium batteries on some models, but they have a lot of knowledge in hybrid EVs, and built them for many years, so you would have thought they would have transitioned sooner. Especially as they have previously dipped their toe quite a few years ago with a rav4 EV in the US

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#2693861 16-Apr-2021 14:59

wellygary:

Did any specs change?

Prices in OZ were cut about 6 months ago, when they started pricing the 2021 model, looks like the NZ prices have finally caught up

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2020-tesla-model-3-price-drops-by-up-to-7000-spec-upgrade-for-australian-models-124418

it may also indicate stock now being supplied out of Shanghai?

EDIT: Just pulled the data from the Motor Vehicle Register- Model 3s have been coming from China since February 2021

Yeah no spec changes. We had the same price drop as Aus last year. They've also had a similar price drop today. As you found, Model 3 deliveries have been coming from China since Jan/Feb. It seemed like prices were higher in NZ then they should have been given the exchange rate between NZ and the US so it was either that or Tesla is actually responding to new competition.

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#2693869 16-Apr-2021 15:18

mattwnz: Aren't Tesla looking at releasing a lower priced model anyway. eg A model 2. Overtime prices for these things should drop a lot. I think in 5 years, the prices today will look very high as competition heats up.

Tesla's master plan has been to start building the most profitable cars first and use the funds generated for the R&D for progressively more affordable/less profitable models. Hence the Roadster was first and every model after that has been cheaper and progressively more accessible. Their answer to the corolla will be last.

mattwnz: Toyota have only recently move to lithium batteries on some models, but they have a lot of knowledge in hybrid EVs, and built them for many years, so you would have thought they would have transitioned sooner. Especially as they have previously dipped their toe quite a few years ago with a rav4 EV in the US

Unfortunately Toyota did no believe in EV's until last year. Incidentally, a lot of the components in the RAV4 EV (which was only built to meet Californian regulations) was actually built by Tesla, and some of it is still used in current Tesla models. There are/was modules that Telsa wouldn't sell to DIY Tesla repairers that could instead be bought from Toyota.

Edit: Spell check.

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#2693875 16-Apr-2021 15:28

Any word on the China sourced Teslas re built quality? i.e. paint quality, panel gaps, general fit and finish, etc.

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#2693878 16-Apr-2021 15:31

tripper1000:

Unfortunately Toyota did no believe in EV's until last year. Incidentally, a lot of the components in the RAV4 EV (which was only built to meet Californian regulations) was actually built by Tesla, and some of it is still used in current Tesla models. There are/was modules that Telsa wouldn't sell to DIY Tesla repairers that could instead be bought from Toyota.

Edit: Spell check.

Toyota built almost nothing interesting between the GT-FOUR/Supra/MR2 era and the 86 showing up, and now we have the 86, Supra, a GR Yaris and a GR almost everything else.

Toyota have also had a very public Solid State Battery program and were meant to be demonstrating a vehicle at the 2020 Olympics until Covid got in the way.

If any company can just suddenly unveil or pivot to reveal something new with the chops to make it in decent volume, it's Toyota. I wouldn't write them off yet and I doubt Tesla is either.

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#2693879 16-Apr-2021 15:31

Mercedes-benz have officially launched the EQS.

They're claiming 770 kms of range on the WLTP.

A lot more information at the link below
https://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2022-eqs/

Information off the Top Gear website, indicate prices in line with the S Class, and in the UK at least, prices expect to start at 80,000 GBP

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/finally-say-hello-mercedes-eqs/

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#2693903 16-Apr-2021 16:47

Obraik:

Mercedes' competitive pricing may have already paid off. Tesla has just dropped the Model 3 by $5k across the range. The SR+ now starts at $69,900

Tesla has a policy to price their products fairly for international markets, and not taking advantage of small markets like NZ as many other brands do.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/fair-price?redirect=no

The model 3 has been overdue for substantial price drop for some time, due to currency fluctautons.

Also (untill now) there has never been a price change to reflect the move to Chinese manufacture. The shipping route is thought to be cheaper, and the battery chemistry changed (which has both advantages and disadvantages over the US built cars)

It is possible they responded to the Merc pricing, but I think it unlikely. The cars are in different segments.

But still, this will shake the segment up. $71,723 driveaway for the base model 3 come in cheaper than a ionic Elite, is less than $10k more than a New 40kWh leaf, and undercuts the likes Kona & E-niro by a decent margin.

Also substantially undercuts the list price of the substantially slower BMW 320i for people cross shopping petrol & Electric cars.

wellygary:

Did any specs change?

Prices in OZ were cut about 6 months ago, when they started pricing the 2021 model, looks like the NZ prices have finally caught up

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2020-tesla-model-3-price-drops-by-up-to-7000-spec-upgrade-for-australian-models-124418

it may also indicate stock now being supplied out of Shanghai?

EDIT: Just pulled the data from the Motor Vehicle Register- Model 3s have been coming from China since February 2021

The last price change was when the wall charger was unbundled. I don't know of any this time.

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#2693910 16-Apr-2021 16:58

WyleECoyoteNZ: Mercedes-benz have officially launched the EQS.

They're claiming 770 kms of range on the WLTP.

Information off the Top Gear website, indicate prices in line with the S Class, and in the UK at least, prices expect to start at 80,000 GBP

I wonder if they would look at considering them in the replacement of the Ministerial limos..

Certainly has a bit more style that rocking up in a Audi-Etron SUV - which is the current EV option they have ..

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