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#2839685 28-Dec-2021 22:44

HarmLessSolutions:
Interesting article on Leaf battery upgrades and EV battery redundancy in general

EVs Enhanced in Chch do battery swaps. They've also developed a "16 blade" custom battery for the LEAF that includes active temperature management. That's something no LEAF from Nissan has. They say they aren't quite ready to take pre-orders yet, but soon. Check out their recent video on their channel on YouTube.

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#2839686 28-Dec-2021 22:51

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HarmLessSolutions:

Interesting article on Leaf battery upgrades and EV battery redundancy in general

EVs Enhanced in Chch do battery swaps. They've also developed a "16 blade" custom battery for the LEAF that includes active temperature management. That's something no LEAF from Nissan has. They say they aren't quite ready to take pre-orders yet, but soon. Check out their recent video on their channel on YouTube.

Thanks for the info. We have been considering EV Enhanced for an upgrade and will check out the 16 blade (BYD sourced?) option.

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#2839752 29-Dec-2021 07:01

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morrisk: Not sure what this has to do with this thread which is "EV (electric vehicle) general news"? As far as I can see there is no reference to EVs at all in the article.

Perhaps you’ve not been reading this thread for that long, but those that have done (and I think I’ve read from nearly day one!) will recall that one of the fairly common issues raised is EVs catching alight, and whether the attention that EV fires get is out of proportion to their frequency.

This was posted to highlight that well-regarded brands of ICE cars can have on-going issues with fires - this has been going on for quite a number of years, and I’ll admit this is the first I’ve heard of it.

Hope this explanation passes your muster?!

Thanks useful to have you now provide the context and point of your posting. Being an EV owner for 5 years now I was keen to check which EVs were having issues with fires and so read the article carefully.

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#2839780 29-Dec-2021 08:49

Normally I'd say he could have given the battery pack a second life as a Powerwall.

However in Finland solar panels are not really practical, and it's electricity prices are the lowest in the EU, 61% cheaper than Germany.

Still a red-neck move

From Gizmodo

"Katainen is a 2013 Tesla Model S owner who was told he would have to pay more than $22,600 to replace the battery on his car. For him, it apparently wasn’t worth it, so he decided to team up with a YouTuber to blow up his Model S with 66 pounds (30 kilograms) of dynamite instead.

According to Katainen, his Model S ran “excellent” for the first 932 miles (1,500 kilometers) after he bought it, but then the error codes started to appear. He sent his car to a Tesla dealer’s repair shop, where it remained for about a month, and was told they couldn’t do anything for his car. His only option would be to replace the entire battery, which would cost more than $22,600, and he would have to ask Tesla permission to carry out the repair.

To put this in perspective, $22,600 would go a long way to buying another used 2013 Model S in Finland, which appear to sell for more than $42,900. But Katainen decides that’s not for him, proving that there is indeed a thin line between logic, rage, and insanity.

'So I told them I’m coming to pick up the Tesla,' he said in the video. 'Now I’m going to explode the whole car away.'

This video does have English sub titles which can be turned off.

Probably off by default. Press the rounded rectangle icon next to the gear icon at the bottom

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#2839781 29-Dec-2021 08:51

the early Model S builds are a bit suspect I reckon. there are numerous horror stories. completely expected in a new anything. it must have been the first ever massed produced BEV, and more importantly, the first ever car Tesla ever made?

possibly fixed in current versions?

now if only they made a wagon model 3 ....

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#2839782 29-Dec-2021 08:52

Idiot.

No one goes 1st party main dealer for a major replacement part for an 8+ year old car.

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#2839784 29-Dec-2021 08:55

RobDickinson:

Idiot.

No one goes 1st party main dealer for a major replacement part for an 8+ year old car.

the first version of the Honda Jazz had a CVT issue.

Honda NZ would replace the CVT for NZ New Honda Jazz out of warranty, even after 8+ years.

don't ask me how i know.

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#2839805 29-Dec-2021 09:34

There's money to be made destroying things for entertainment, particularly if you're the first.

I'm not saying it's admirable. Comparing how many people know the Kardashians versus Caracristi. "The Real Housewives of Orange County" versus Cosmos

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#2839807 29-Dec-2021 10:05

I think it also raises some concerning issues around the "right to repair". The point made in the article around "having to ask Tesla for permission to replace the battery" for one - if he was to replace the battery without their permission, would the car still function? Does any manufacturer have the right to dictate what you can and can't do with your property once you own it? This certainly doesn't apply to EV's alone, but as these vehicles become more and more software driven, there's nothing saying the next OTA update won't brick your vehicle because it detected something non-OEM, with there being nothing you can do about it.

While that might sound a little alarmist, it certainly has happened before: I once owned an Olympus digital camera, with a fantastic 10x optical zoom. Batteries from Olympus were horrendously expensive but you could get aftermarket units for a fraction of the cost. Olympus rolled out a firmware update that had some neat new functionality, improving the images considerably but with a nasty little fish-hook - the new firmware checked to see if it was being powered by an OEM battery on startup and if it wasn't the camera refuse to turn on.

Apple are notorious for this sort of behaviour. I watched a video showing two identical versions of the latest iPhone in which the cameras were swapped from one to the other. It crippled the device, even though they were identical OEM parts being transposed from one to the other. Without paying them an exorbitant price, even if you can get OEM parts, you still can't repair your device yourself.

Sometimes, there's a lot to be said for bog-simple solutions:

$Dash light \ Air con illumination | Land Cruiser Club$

And before you dismiss that as being from a 1980's Toyota Corolla, I can assure you that is still installed in high-price vehicles being sold in NZ today - if they haven't sold out already.

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#2839811 29-Dec-2021 10:08

yes you can replace the battery, no idea what he mans there, and 3rd party shops can and do replace battery packs.

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#2839890 29-Dec-2021 11:07

The mind boggles how German marquees design from the ground up BEVs that look exactly like ICEs with a massive front nose that has seemingly wasted space under the bonnet.

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#2839893 29-Dec-2021 11:18

Yeah you understand it with say the iX3, massive bonnet mostly empty, no frunk

But the iX? The EQS?

The electronic gubbins shouldnt be that chunky.

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#2839894 29-Dec-2021 11:20

kingdragonfly: Normally I'd say he could have given the battery pack a second life as a Powerwall.

However in Finland solar panels are not really practical, and it's electricity prices are the lowest in the EU, 61% cheaper than Germany.

Still a red-neck move

From Gizmodo

"Katainen is a 2013 Tesla Model S owner who was told he would have to pay more than $22,600 to replace the battery on his car. For him, it apparently wasn’t worth it, so he decided to team up with a YouTuber to blow up his Model S with 66 pounds (30 kilograms) of dynamite instead.

According to Katainen, his Model S ran “excellent” for the first 932 miles (1,500 kilometers) after he bought it, but then the error codes started to appear. He sent his car to a Tesla dealer’s repair shop, where it remained for about a month, and was told they couldn’t do anything for his car. His only option would be to replace the entire battery, which would cost more than $22,600, and he would have to ask Tesla permission to carry out the repair.

To put this in perspective, $22,600 would go a long way to buying another used 2013 Model S in Finland, which appear to sell for more than $42,900. But Katainen decides that’s not for him, proving that there is indeed a thin line between logic, rage, and insanity.

'So I told them I’m coming to pick up the Tesla,' he said in the video. 'Now I’m going to explode the whole car away.'

This video does have English sub titles which can be turned off.

Probably off by default. Press the rounded rectangle icon next to the gear icon at the bottom

If you watch the version of the video on the Beyond the Press channel you'll hear the actual story. The guy imported the car (2013 Model S) from the USA to Finland. He then had a third party change the pack from a 60kWh pack to a 90kWH pack but it seems like they messed up the upgrade and coolant leaked into the cells and damaged the pack. At that point he then took it to Tesla who said they weren't going to repair it for free and offered him a paid replacement.

I think Tesla was perfectly justified to want to charge him for the repair, considering the faults were his own doing.

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#2839899 29-Dec-2021 11:30

oooh now that really changes the story

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#2839901 29-Dec-2021 11:32

Obraik: If you watch the version of the video on the Beyond the Press channel you'll hear the actual story. The guy imported the car (2013 Model S) from the USA to Finland. He then had a third party change the pack from a 60kWh pack to a 90kWH pack but it seems like they messed up the upgrade and coolant leaked into the cells and damaged the pack. At that point he then took it to Tesla who said they weren't going to repair it for free and offered him a paid replacement.

I think Tesla was perfectly justified to want to charge him for the repair, considering the faults were his own doing.

Good video Obraik

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