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#2927913 15-Jun-2022 12:57

It’s not helped by that Stuff article (and perhaps the original source) capturing all forms of Tesla’s ‘driver aids’, so ‘Autopilot’ is grouped in with the $11k (in NZ) option of ‘FSD’. I wonder how many owners over-estimate the ability of Autopilot, thinking it shares more characteristics/features with FSD, and get themselves into stupid and avoidable situations. (I’ve certainly had conversations with people who think all Teslas come with self-driving capabilities, seemingly getting the two confused.)

I think Tesla’s branding of “FSD” should be amended until such time as it does accurately reflect what it’s capable of; in the interim, its naming, descriptors and marketing need to be suitably cautious in what they say and intimate.

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#2927914 15-Jun-2022 12:58

Dingbatt:
Obraik:

Up until the next shipment, all Tesla's in NZ still have radar.

That’s interesting. I assumed that my M3 that was built in Shanghai in January was a camera only one. Is there any way to tell by looking at it?

If the car doesn't force on auto highbeams at night when you turn on autopilot then you have a radar. I believe without radar you also can't drop the follow distance down less than 3.

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#2927929 15-Jun-2022 13:26

Thanks. I just had a look at the TeslaNZ website and it says “Transitioning to Tesla Vision from June 2022”.

I turned auto high beam off because it was too slow reacting. And less than 3 on the ACC is waaaay too close for me to be comfortable.

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#2927935 15-Jun-2022 13:35

I usually have that set to 5-7 or something, it gets very jumpy at something like 3

Auto high beam sucks (well did not tried it for ages)

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#2927940 15-Jun-2022 13:44

Maybe they could use “Advanced Autopilot” instead of FSD as a name. (I know there was an FSD lite called AA in the past). Then people might be less expectant of being able to be chauffeured somewhere by their $70000 car.

I like some of the features they are trying to achieve. However, automatic navigation of city streets is beyond the capability of sensor/computer packages available at the moment (imo). Too much data for the system to handle.

And as for Stuff, remember “News articles like this don’t write themselves. Please support quality journalism”

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#2927941 15-Jun-2022 13:50

Dingbatt:

However, automatic navigation of city streets is beyond the capability of sensor/computer packages available at the moment.

Strange how its a thing. An actual thing. Working (mostly) in USA right now.

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#2927942 15-Jun-2022 13:53

RobDickinson:

Dingbatt:

However, automatic navigation of city streets is beyond the capability of sensor/computer packages available at the moment.

Strange how its a thing. An actual thing. Working (mostly) in USA right now.

Yes I agree, but it’s like putting a chimp behind the wheel. Mostly okay, occasionally not.

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#2927944 15-Jun-2022 14:02

But you asserted the sensor/computer package isnt up to it, why?

Perhaps the FSD3 computer isnt capable of the nessicary safety vs humans, if thats so tesla will replace it with one that is.

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#2927945 15-Jun-2022 14:02

Dingbatt:

Thanks. I just had a look at the TeslaNZ website and it says “Transitioning to Tesla Vision from June 2022”.

I turned auto high beam off because it was too slow reacting. And less than 3 on the ACC is waaaay too close for me to be comfortable.

I use 3 or 4 on the motorway but I find in crawling traffic that if it's anything other than 1 then it leaves enough of a gap that people are constantly jumping into the gap it creates. I do keep auto-highbeams turned on in the settings menu but I still manually engage them. There are times when I'm the slow one to react and the car will turn them off quicker than me so I feel it's a good safety net to have.

Anyway, I think we've gone wildly off the topic of EV news at this point lol.

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#2927966 15-Jun-2022 14:25

RobDickinson:

But you asserted the sensor/computer package isnt up to it, why?

Because the number of unforeseeable situations that occur on city streets would likely overwhelm the computational capability of the automated system. The current system is fine on a divided motorway system where traffic is flowing in the same direction but I cringe when I see videos of people using FSD on two lane roads.

My experience comes from 35 years of operating these type of automated systems and some design work on human-machine interfaces.

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#2927967 15-Jun-2022 14:28

I'm surprised we have such a world expert on AI and neuralnets in here!

You better explain to Karpathy etc how they cant do it.

btw I am a SW dev with 38 years of experience and dabbled a bit with ML, I know I dont know anywhere near enough to make a call on this.

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#2927977 15-Jun-2022 14:49

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No point in arguing.

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#2930121 15-Jun-2022 20:41

I don't know whether the Telsa system uses augmented GPS but many "self drive" systems rely on augmented GPS signals, something that's available in most of the developed world but we don't have here in New Zealand, not yet anyway.

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#2930131 15-Jun-2022 21:11

RobDickinson:

The FSD package does all the things listed that it says it currently does?

My understanding is it does not provide the headline thing. "Full Self-Driving Capability".

And I am not sure about the Full Self-Driving Computer. Without the software to provide full self driving capability, it is a stretch to call it this name.

I don't have an issue with the technology / feature's that Tesla is putting out, but think the naming / marketing is deceptive. Marketing it as "Enhanced Autopilot & future self driving" would be more reflective of the current product offering.

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#2930196 16-Jun-2022 09:00

Scott3:

My understanding is it does not provide the headline thing. "Full Self-Driving Capability".

The FSD package is a bunch of stuff, obviously, and clearly, the self driving on city streets thing isnt released to the public yet ( or even finished)

Scott3:

And I am not sure about the Full Self-Driving Computer. Without the software to provide full self driving capability, it is a stretch to call it this name.

So the thing with this is if the current hardware isnt up to it it will be replaced with one that is.

More wilful misintepretation

Oh and the NHSTA report is out and its as expected utter garbage, even them themselves say you shouldnt use it to draw any conclusions.

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