Christopher Luxon, New Zealand Prime Minister 2023

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#3223160 26-Apr-2024 19:16

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And with the current lot in the Beehive largely focused on the "dumb economy", the long-standing structural issues will likely persist. A housing-first approach to homelessness and economic diversification/value-adding go hand in hand.

They are focussed getting NZ back on track. Reminds me of a "T" man, MAGA

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#3223163 26-Apr-2024 19:23

"Back on track" means giving back to friends.

Again, friends.

Not people. Not voters.

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#3223165 26-Apr-2024 19:33

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The top exports of Singapore are Integrated Circuits ($81.9B), Refined Petroleum ($62.9B), Machinery Having Individual Functions ($15.4B), Gold ($13.1B), and Gas Turbines ($8.48B), exporting mostly to Hong Kong ($51.6B), China ($51.2B), Malaysia ($35.9B), United States ($28.9B), and Indonesia ($22.5B).

The top exports of New Zealand are Concentrated Milk ($6.99B), Sheep and Goat Meat ($2.79B), Butter ($2.78B), Frozen Bovine Meat ($2.71B), and Rough Wood ($2.3B), exporting mostly to China($13.1B), Australia ($5.35B), United States ($5.07B), Japan ($2.75B), and South Korea ($1.69B).

Notice the difference, we are exporting crude goods with low added value.

Mutton, lambs, wool, beef were big, not any more.

Failed to adapt.

The wool price crash of the 1960s was the beginning of the end of the golden weather; the 1973 entry of Britain into the EEC & the Oil Crisis were the knockout blow. Muldoon tried to fortress NZ from the after-effects with Think Big; Prebble & Douglas, and then Richardson, sold off NZ to the highest bidder in response. All the free trade deals in the world can't mask the fact that what NZ has now is Bernard Hickey's "housing market with bits tacked on" - much of the know-how produced in NZ that could enable the next Weta/Fisher & Paykel/Tait Comms goes overseas as a direct result of the potential investment capital going into low-productivity real estate instead of high-productivity sectors.

"I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce." — J. Edgar Hoover

"Create a society that values material things above all else. Strip it of industry. Raise taxes for the poor and reduce them for the rich and for corporations. Prop up failed financial institutions with public money. Ask for more tax, while vastly reducing public services. Put adverts everywhere, regardless of people's ability to afford the things they advertise. Allow the cost of food and housing to eclipse people's ability to pay for them. Light blue touch paper." — Andrew Maxwell

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#3223169 26-Apr-2024 19:47

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Or if there's a way to mass-produce medium to high-density modular housing with new technologies such as 3D printing. And last I checked, land accounts for about half the price of a new dwelling (I saw a chart somewhere on the Web but still looking for it). Also, not everyone wants to live in a high-maintenance McMansion, but they yield the highest returns for developers.

Earthquakes.... we already have enough quake prone buildings.

Lets compare what I live in with "social housing" that is close to me.

I have space, space outside for a garden, space for the grandkids to play in, space for my dogs. I can sit outside and have a cup of coffee without being looked over by the neighbours because we are all in single story buildings. The Grandkids have space to use their scooters on the driveway and and tramp and pool out the back.

I have space for family to visit and stay, I had my grandson live with us during covid lockdown. We have family get togethers here because there is space.

I have space where I can do hobbies, I have my piano, I have an electronics workshop and the beginnings of an hobby engineering workshop. I also have 2000+ books, 400 or so old computers I am slowly rebuilding.

I have a saw bench, router table, etc and I am converting a pair of old 1940's hung doors into sliding doors for the house where my kids live.

I have a HOME

Social housing has none of that. Not even a garage they can use for various things.

They have a house. Worse is they have no place to unwind, destress, decompress or what ever. There is no "outside" for most of them because they are on the 2nd floor. There is no green space. There are often fights because the people who live there have complex needs that need more than just a roof over their heads.

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#3223170 26-Apr-2024 19:47

deepred:

And with the current lot in the Beehive largely focused on the "dumb economy", the long-standing structural issues will likely persist. A housing-first approach to homelessness and economic diversification/value-adding go hand in hand.

Too right, the former head of Federated Farmers is now the Minister for Biosecurity. This lot aren't going to topple the sacred cow.

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#3223177 26-Apr-2024 20:18

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The wool price crash of the 1960s was the beginning of the end of the golden weather; the 1973 entry of Britain into the EEC & the Oil Crisis were the knockout blow. Muldoon tried to fortress NZ from the after-effects with Think Big; Prebble & Douglas, and then Richardson, sold off NZ to the highest bidder in response. All the free trade deals in the world can't mask the fact that what NZ has now is Bernard Hickey's "housing market with bits tacked on" - much of the know-how produced in NZ that could enable the next Weta/Fisher & Paykel/Tait Comms goes overseas as a direct result of the potential investment capital going into low-productivity real estate instead of high-productivity sectors.

Inflation adjusted prices saw the highest price per ton for NZ meat in about 1920 and its been on a downward spiral ever since.

My mum lost a lot of money in Goldcorp, Brierleys and others. We still have companies being run by high paid people into the ground while they pay themselves bonuses.

My first "rental" was a flat for my disabled son, his forever home. I do the repairs, I do the decorating, I do the management. What ever I can not do I have to pay someone else to do, and they charge far more than what I want to pay, so I learn to do it myself.

All I know about the sharemarket is that those at the top need those at the bottom to take the losses for them.

But here you are saying how the government should invest a trillion dollars into state houses + on goings costs like rates, repairs, risk (floods etc) and then find even more money (debt) to manage climate change.

They "invest" in rugby and netball and other sports, invest in stadiums...entertainment, instead of higher education, technology etc.

Sir Paul Callaghan set up Magritek, making compact NMR equipment, after he died the company got an offer for what to them was a lot of money and now the entire IP etc belongs to Bruker in Germany.

Xero is on the Australia Stock exchange
Canterbury clothing is UK owned
Kathmandu is overseas owned
F&P is owned by the chinese
Our banks are Australian owned
Our rolling stock for rail is imported, not built here
A large chunk of Weta workshops is USA owned
Glaxo-Smith-Kliene largest pharmaceutical company in the world...Glaxo was started in Bunnythorpe just outside of Palmerston North, they shifted because there was no support for R&D here in NZ
Rocket Labs is USA owned
We used to build small aircraft here in NZ, top dressers etc....
We use to build buses here in NZ, stagecoach in Palmerston North
Rakon, although a NZ company is based now in France I believe
We retreded tyres here, now they are a toxic waste
DJ Reids closed down, as did Dick Smiths so we lost electronics hobbies shops (Jaycar is Australian as was Dick Smiths)

And yet if we had 100 companies like F&P Healthcare (nz owned still) then our living standard would be higher than Australia's , but we hate success unless it is on the football field. Our sports people get paid way more than our scientists and engineers.

We have become a gymnasium, barista , fast food economy.

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#3223223 26-Apr-2024 22:50

deepred: Bernard Hickey said it best not too long ago: "NZ's economy is a housing market with bits tacked on."

and bits falling off.

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#3223224 26-Apr-2024 23:00

deepred: Or if there's a way to mass-produce medium to high-density modular housing with new technologies such as 3D printing.

Kainga Ora actually has some pretty good designs and developments coming through the pipes now. NZ's problems in public housing were a result of stopping many years ago. We weren't doing it, we didn't keep up. And, we even forgot how to do it. That capacity for design is being rebuilt.

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#3223227 26-Apr-2024 23:20

gzt:
deepred: Or if there's a way to mass-produce medium to high-density modular housing with new technologies such as 3D printing.

Kainga Ora actually has some pretty good designs and developments coming through the pipes now. NZ's problems in public housing were a result of stopping many years ago. We weren't doing it, we didn't keep up. And, we even forgot how to do it. That capacity for design is being rebuilt.

Yep, in 1990, HNZ/KO had 70k dwellings when the population was 3.37m, making a ratio of over 2k dwellings per 100k people. Now the population is 5.1m but HNZ/KO's stock remains barely over 70k, making a ratio of under 1.4k dwellings per 100k. If HNZ/KO had kept the same ratio of dwellings to people, it would have a bit over 107k homes.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230814215733/https://kaingaora.govt.nz/assets/Publications/Managed-stock/Managed-Stock-National-Summary-March-2023.pdf

And I forgot to mention that a major factor in NZ's current housing bubble was the 1987 sharemarket crash, which took not just confidence in share investments down with it, but also DFC NZ, a major seed capital investor in its day which got drunk on too much Muller Thurgau and bought into some shoddy glamour companies of the day - think Chase and Equiticorp etc.

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#3223260 27-Apr-2024 09:28

gzt:
deepred: Or if there's a way to mass-produce medium to high-density modular housing with new technologies such as 3D printing.

Kainga Ora actually has some pretty good designs and developments coming through the pipes now. NZ's problems in public housing were a result of stopping many years ago. We weren't doing it, we didn't keep up. And, we even forgot how to do it. That capacity for design is being rebuilt.

Per head of population, we were building more houses back in the 1970s than we do now.

Kainga Ora has 2 problems

Tenant management, which under this government will become worse as other services are also cut back

Building high density complexes. People with complex needs being jammed together will result in tragedy. There needs to be more houses dotted around in all parts of the community with careful tenant selection also used. We also have an ageing population, so 2-3 story building with only stairs in not a great solution either, nor is it great for the disabled.

It is a fact that some people will need constant daily management, and KO is not set up to do that.

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#3223276 27-Apr-2024 10:04

If I could pick a property to live in, I would choose a 2-3 bedroom unit (or townhouse) with a little backyard space. An apartment isn't really suitable for one of my boys as he is special needs. Having said that, very few of the new places I've seen being built fit this description, which is depressing. An apartment isn't really ideal for my situation.

But I'm getting a bit far away from Luxon with that comment...

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#3223540 27-Apr-2024 18:44

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gzt:
Kainga Ora actually has some pretty good designs and developments coming through the pipes now. NZ's problems in public housing were a result of stopping many years ago. We weren't doing it, we didn't keep up. And, we even forgot how to do it. That capacity for design is being rebuilt.

Per head of population, we were building more houses back in the 1970s than we do now.

Kainga Ora has 2 problems

Tenant management, which under this government will become worse as other services are also cut back

Building high density complexes. People with complex needs being jammed together will result in tragedy. There needs to be more houses dotted around in all parts of the community with careful tenant selection also used. We also have an ageing population, so 2-3 story building with only stairs in not a great solution either, nor is it great for the disabled.

It is a fact that some people will need constant daily management, and KO is not set up to do that.

Hence why city planners globally are moving towards mixed-use, mixed income medium/high rise dwellings. Grays Ave/Te Matawai is a model example of it.

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#3224117 29-Apr-2024 12:24

sir1963:

Per head of population, we were building more houses back in the 1970s than we do now.

Kainga Ora has 2 problems

Tenant management, which under this government will become worse as other services are also cut back

Building high density complexes. People with complex needs being jammed together will result in tragedy. There needs to be more houses dotted around in all parts of the community with careful tenant selection also used. We also have an ageing population, so 2-3 story building with only stairs in not a great solution either, nor is it great for the disabled.

It is a fact that some people will need constant daily management, and KO is not set up to do that.

What do you mean "careful tenant selection"? I agree with your sentiment about tenant management - especially with special needs tenants they need to be more active (or other social services invested) in management, but they're lessor of last resort. They don't get to "select" who gets a place, the only control they have is prioritisation.

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#3224166 29-Apr-2024 12:30

careful Tennant selection meaning some housing situations are unsuitable for some people with higher support needs

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#3224183 29-Apr-2024 13:26

Kyanar:

sir1963:

Per head of population, we were building more houses back in the 1970s than we do now.

Kainga Ora has 2 problems

Tenant management, which under this government will become worse as other services are also cut back

Building high density complexes. People with complex needs being jammed together will result in tragedy. There needs to be more houses dotted around in all parts of the community with careful tenant selection also used. We also have an ageing population, so 2-3 story building with only stairs in not a great solution either, nor is it great for the disabled.

It is a fact that some people will need constant daily management, and KO is not set up to do that.

What do you mean "careful tenant selection"? I agree with your sentiment about tenant management - especially with special needs tenants they need to be more active (or other social services invested) in management, but they're lessor of last resort. They don't get to "select" who gets a place, the only control they have is prioritisation.

As with refugees, if we hate homelessness so much, we need to stop creating it. The cynical solution (hint: it has the chemical formula HCN) would be quick, but likely to breach the Geneva Convention.

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