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#3148354 17-Oct-2023 10:13

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Sideface:

kingdragonfly: Forbes: How Trump Fooled Deutsche Bank

Deutsche Bank probably kept quiet about being conned by Trump for two main reasons:

to protect their reputation as bankers

an understandable desire to get their money back

The funny thing is that this association "Deutsche Bank" sounds like a state-owned enterprise, but it is not. That would be the „Deutsche Bundesbank,“ which can print money as well. But they don‘t do business with Trump. 😄

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#3148455 17-Oct-2023 15:31

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https://www.salon.com/2023/10/16/chutkan-literally-laughs-in-lawyers-face-before-issuing-partial-gag-order/ >> I know what she means, I would have laughed in his face too.

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#3148479 17-Oct-2023 16:35

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Best "does not compute... error! error! error!" monent ever

Jordan Klepper's eye-opening return to the Trump trail

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#3148514 17-Oct-2023 19:10

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MAGABOTS - MAGA-mercial

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#3148616 18-Oct-2023 07:50

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Ironically Trump should have always set up his businesses in Florida, where these state laws are the weakest, instead of waiting. Now it's guaranteed to have lost of hundreds of millions, selling his assets at great loss, like the Trump Tower, in a "buyer's" market, and the loss of his business license in where he has centered his businesses.

However Trump's ego wouldn't allow him to make the smart choice, staying away from New York, instead he wanted to mark his territory in the most conspicuous place possible. This state happens to have the strictest business laws in the US.

Speaking of the Trump Tower, it'll be funny to see how much it'll sell for, likely less than $350 million, versus the Trump $881 million has stated.

Forbes: Trump keeps attacking this statute in New York fraud case—here’s why his claims lack merit

Former President Donald Trump continued his attacks on the civil fraud case against him in New York on Tuesday as he returned to the ongoing trial, including making claims that the case against him is “rigged” based on the statute it was brought under—which broadly gave state Attorney General Letitia James the power to prosecute Trump for alleged fraud.

The statute allows the attorney general to ask a state judge to stop the business from continuing its activities and fraudulent acts, force the defendants to pay damages or other restitution and, if necessary, order business certificates to be canceled.

Judge Arthur Engoron has already found Trump and his company violated 63(12) by fraudulently misstating the value of their assets on financial documents—though the trial is still moving forward on other claims—noting in his ruling the statute only required James to prove the Trump Organization’s statements of financial condition were “false and misleading” and that the company “repeatedly or persistently” used those statements to “transact business.”

Trump—who opposes Engoron’s ruling and denies any wrongdoing or fraud—has attacked the statute since the civil fraud trial against him began, claiming the law is “VERY UNFAIR” because no victim is required and does not give him the right to a jury trial and falsely alleging Tuesday it’s “never been used before.”

The statute does not require intent to commit fraud or anyone to be harmed by the fraud, and it does not give Trump the inherent right to a jury trial, with legal experts noting to CNN that while civil lawsuits that request monetary damages are entitled to a jury trial, cases seeking other “equitable relief”—meaning penalties that force the defendant to take or refrain from taking some kind of action, rather than just paying money—can be decided by a judge alone, which is more common with 63(12) violations and is the case in this trial.

Engoron explained at the trial last week that while Trump could have opposed James’ request for a non-jury trial—which his attorneys didn’t do—it “would not have helped,” because James’ request for equitable relief should be left up to a judge to decide.
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#3148618 18-Oct-2023 08:03

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Lawfare media: Trump, Presidential Immunity, and the King’s Two Bodies
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Trump’s legal team was planning to file a “very, very unique and extensive motion dealing with executive immunity,” making the case that Special Counsel Jack Smith is “essentially indicting a president for being president.” Now, two months later, that motion is finally here.
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This court filing been brewing since before the grand jury handed up Trump’s indictment on Aug. 1, and maybe even before the violence of Jan. 6 itself. Trump’s motion to dismiss is the latest expression—and perhaps the clearest—of a legal and conceptual struggle over the nature of the presidency that’s been taking place since Trump first swore the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2017.

Over the course of his time in office, Trump complicated typical understandings of the division between the office of the presidency and the person of the president himself, often seeking to collapse the two concepts in order to leverage his office for personal gain.

Judges, Justice Department lawyers, and two different special counsels were forced to ask: Given Trump’s consistent and abusive use of the presidency for personal aims, to what extent could he claim the benefits and the protections of the office?

Now, with the filing of the motion to dismiss, the courts will have to evaluate this question in light of Trump’s least presidential act of all—his effort to seize power on Jan. 6, despite having lost an election, by leveraging the power of a mob against a coordinate branch of government.
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#3148873 18-Oct-2023 15:20

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Beware Dark Brandon: https://boingboing.net/2023/10/17/biden-trolls-trump-with-his-new-truth-social-account-mocking-his-rival-in-every-post.html

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#3148886 18-Oct-2023 15:48

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See Eric Trump prove conclusively that Biden stole the election. 😜

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGelUtKik6Q&ab_channel=DavidPakmanShow

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#3148928 18-Oct-2023 17:10

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Hey Trump,

Size matters! The magnitude of your magnanimity, the extent of your embrace, the volume of your virtue, the hugeness of your happiness, the peak of your perspicacity, the reach of your regard, the tips of your tolerance, the size of your salutation, the limitlessness of your love.

This is a truth small hands can never grasp!

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#3148944 18-Oct-2023 18:40

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Washington Post: Employee testifies of alleged requests to increase Trump’s net worth

A Trump Organization employee said in state court Monday that the company’s top financial officer told him between 2017 and 2019 that Donald Trump wanted his net worth increased
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Patrick Birney, a financial operations executive who helped assess the value of Trump properties and other real estate assets, said his boss, Allen Weisselberg, told him at a meeting that Trump wanted his wealth boosted in financial statements. Those statements of financial condition were compiled annually and distributed to lenders and insurance companies for a variety of business purposes.

“Did Allen Weisselberg ever tell you that Mr. Trump wanted his net worth on the [statements] to go up?” Haren asked on direct examination.

“Yes,” Birney said. “I think that happened in [Weisselberg’s] office.”
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Last year, New York Attorney General Letitia James (Democrat) sued Trump, his adult sons, his company and two longtime employees, including Weisselberg, alleging a vast fraud that involved illegal conduct and deception. James is seeking the recovery of $250 million in allegedly ill-gotten gains and restrictions that would essentially cripple Trump’s ability to continue conducting business in the state.

New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron has already ruled in James’s favor on the issue of whether fraud was broadly committed. As part of that pretrial ruling, Engoron set in motion the beginning of a receivership process and the ultimate dissolution of Trump Organization entities that are chartered in New York state. Those charters were ordered revoked.

Legal experts have said the ruling could mean that Trump loses control of his properties, including Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, where the company is based and where he keeps a penthouse residence.
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Trump may return to court Tuesday. His appearance was originally expected to coincide with the testimony of his former attorney Michael Cohen, but Cohen is now expected to testify at another time.
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#3148946 18-Oct-2023 18:48

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James is seeking the recovery of $250 million in allegedly ill-gotten gains

Is that just the value of ill-gotten loans or is it something else?

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#3149991 19-Oct-2023 08:17

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gzt:
James is seeking the recovery of $250 million in allegedly ill-gotten gains

Is that just the value of ill-gotten loans or is it something else?

Trump's lawyers are claiming it's punitive, intended as punishment. They also claim it's OK because everybody does it. (parents would disagree)

Trump also claims the bank's got their money back, so no harm no foul.

Note no one else is calling it punitive damages. I've read that New York state lost more than $250 million in tax revenue, coming close to a billion dollar lost tax revenue.

Trump and his family were committing fraud, both systematic, consistent, and on many levels.

By wildly inflating the value of the assets Trump and family got loans they might have not gotten otherwise, plus also got much better loan rates than law abiding citizens.

Imagine if every New Zealand home owner told the council their home value based on a whim: half the price so you could pay less council rates, tell the IRD it was worth less, to pay less taxes. Tell a bank it was worth twice as much when negotiating loan to get a better rate. Those lost profits get passed onto every other bank customer.

For insurance, homeowners could go either way, either passing more their excessive payoffs to every other insurance premium payer, or under insuring which would put the bank and government on the hook for a disaster.

Basically New Zealand would turn into Greece.

There's good reason to have a valuation system untainted as much as possible.

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#3149994 19-Oct-2023 08:25

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New York Times: Trump Lawyer Acknowledged Political Agenda in Election Suit, Emails Show

On Dec. 24, 2020, Kenneth Chesebro and other lawyers fighting to reverse President Donald J. Trump’s election defeat were debating whether to file litigation contesting Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory in Wisconsin, a key swing state.

Mr. Chesebro argued there was little doubt that the litigation would fail in court — he put the odds of winning at “1 percent” — as Mr. Trump continued to push his baseless claims of widespread fraud, according to emails reviewed by The New York Times.

But the “relevant analysis,” Mr. Chesebro argued, “is political.”
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Mr. Chesebro’s lawyers have argued that his work was shielded by the First Amendment and that he “acted within his capacity as a lawyer.” They have called for his case to be dismissed, saying he was merely “researching and finding precedents in order to form a legal opinion, which was then supplied to his client, the Trump campaign.”
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Mr. Trump has also signaled that one of his possible defenses is that he was simply acting on the advice of his lawyers.
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But Mr. Chesebro’s emails could undercut any effort to show that the lawyers were focused solely on legal strategies. Rather than considering just the law and the facts of the case, Mr. Chesebro made clear he was considering politics and was well aware of how the Trump campaign’s legal filings could be used as ammunition for Republicans’ efforts to overturn the results when Congress met to certify the Electoral College outcome on Jan. 6, 2021.

“Just getting this on file means that on Jan. 6, the court will either have ruled on the merits or, vastly more likely, will have appeared to dodge again,” Mr. Chesebro wrote in the email chain. He added that a lack of action by the Supreme Court would feed “the impression that the courts lacked the courage to fairly and timely consider these complaints, and justifying a political argument on Jan. 6 that none of the electoral votes from the states with regard to which the judicial process has failed should be counted.”

Of the chances of success, Mr. Chesebro estimated the “odds the court would grant effective relief before Jan. 6, I’d say only 1 percent.” But he wrote the filing has “possible political value.”

Mr. Chesebro wrote that it was “hard to have enormous optimism about what will happen on Jan. 6, but a lot can happen in the 13 days left until then, and I think having as many states under review both judicially and in state legislatures as possible is ideal.”

He said the legal filings could produce a “political payoff” to bolster the argument that “there should at least be extended debate in Congress about election irregularities in each state.” He added that “the public should come away from this believing that the election in Wisconsin was likely rigged, and stolen by Biden and Harris, who were not legitimately elected.”

Responding to the email chain was John Eastman, the conservative lawyer who has also been charged in the Georgia election case. Mr. Eastman said he believed the legal arguments were “rock solid” but the odds of success were “not based on the legal merits, but an assessment of the justices’ spines. And I understand that there is a heated fight underway.”

Mr. Chesebro responded: “I particularly agree that getting this on file gives more ammo to the justices fighting for the court to intervene. I think the odds of action before Jan. 6 will become more favorable if the justices start to fear that there will be ‘wild’ chaos on Jan. 6 unless they rule by then, either way.”
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#3150250 19-Oct-2023 18:59

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Baby Trump has been naughty in court:

The Guardian - Keep your voice down, judge warns Donald Trump at fraud trial

18 Oct 2023

A judge warned Donald Trump and others at his New York civil fraud trial to keep their voices down on Wednesday after the former president threw up his hands in frustration and spoke aloud to his lawyers while a witness was testifying against him.

Judge Arthur Engoron gave the admonition after Trump conferred animatedly with his lawyers at the defense table during real-estate appraiser Doug Larson’s second day of testimony at the Manhattan trial.

State lawyer Kevin Wallace asked Engoron to ask the defense to “stop commenting during the witness’s testimony”, adding that the “exhortations” were audible on the witness’s side of the room. The judge then asked everyone to keep their voices down, “particularly if it’s meant to influence the testimony”.

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#3150361 20-Oct-2023 07:53

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Trump lawyer gets caught with no license after filing appeal

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MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on the letter sent to Donald Trump’s lawyer John Lauro by the DC Circuit Court of Appeals informing him that thief records indicate he is not a member of the bar of the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.

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