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  #1700763 10-Jan-2017 10:50
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Fred99:

 

Stan:
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Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

 

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

 

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

 

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

 

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

 

 

 



Wikileaks are probably one of the most trusted source you can get.
And I phrashed that comment as a question as it's something I read (possibly on Reddit or some such thing). I'm a skeptic Fred I'm not an "alt right" apologist please make that distinction.

 

 

 

The material posted by Wikileaks is "selective". 

 

The authenticity of leaked documents may be verifiable, but the agenda of those who leaked the information is not transparent.  Nor is it clear whether Wikileaks selectively withhold or release leaked information given to them with an agenda  

 

Anyway - you have posted (inadvertently) "fake news" - there is no evidence that Podestas password was "password".  There is evidence it wasn't - and a good argument that whatever his password, it didn't really matter as he "gave it away" when he was phished.

 

Alt:right have been trying to create doubt in order to dissociate Russia from the use of the leaked material to influence the US election result.  Based on the evidence the US security agencies have, there's consensus that Russia was deeply involved.

 

 

What evidence do you have that that is the case? I was under the impression that wikileaks critics said they posted too much uncensored material

 

I have asked the question wasn't his password "password" you said no and I accept that I will look into it later.

 

There is still no evidence that Russia was involved, its such a simple "hack" that anyone could have done it. Julian Assange the receiver of the information has said the person was not Russian I take him at his word. The CIA report added literally zero evidence that Russia was involved why should I take the CIA at there word there job is literally overthrowing foreign governments elected or not. 


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  #1700766 10-Jan-2017 10:56
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Stan:
Fred99:

 

Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

 

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

 

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

 

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

 

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

 

 

 



Wikileaks are probably one of the most trusted source you can get.
And I phrashed that comment as a question as it's something I read (possibly on Reddit or some such thing). I'm a skeptic Fred I'm not an "alt right" apologist please make that distinction.

 

OMG trusted....it is 100% stolen information selectively published to have maximum effect. You would be first to complain if all your personal information was stolen from your own sources and published on same lame site like Wikileaks.


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  #1700767 10-Jan-2017 10:57
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Also regardless of all of this lets say for arguments sake that the Russians did hack the John Podestas email what did it do?

 

Exposed corruption from with in the democratic party and that cause people to not vote for Hillary?


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  #1700768 10-Jan-2017 10:57
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Fred99:

 

 

 

The material posted by Wikileaks is "selective". 

 

The authenticity of leaked documents may be verifiable, but the agenda of those who leaked the information is not transparent.  Nor is it clear whether Wikileaks selectively withhold or release leaked information given to them with an agenda.

 

It's a real shame. Assange has admitted via the Wikileaks twitter account that he holds a partisan "position", and that clearly was a factor with what has been released. I think (much like Dotcom), see Hillary as someone who is partly responsible for their respective predicaments and see her as a thread to their potential freedom whereas Trump may offer pardons (I would not be surprised if Trump forgives Assange given how he has helped him - but KDC is DREAMING if he thinks Trump is on his side). 

 

I listened to an interview a couple of weeks back between Sean Hannity of Fox and Assange. The questioning and language used (as I mentioned in an earlier post here) was very interesting. Yes he is right that Wikileaks have a perfect record of releasing real, verifiable information. He is also most likley telling the truth when he says that Russia was not his source for the leaked info, and he was not questioned and certainly differ volunteer anything to preemptively dismiss that - in fast I recall when listening at the time thinking he seemed to be being especially deliberate in his phrasing so that should it turn out Russia was the original source but Wikileaks were provided the information through an intermediary, his statement would still hold true and he could assert so.

 

There were a number of assertions made by Wikileaks as commentary along side Podesta emails they released that were debunkable with wider context to the email chains (some of which I believe were provided by Podesta in order to give correct context), so while the source info was genuine, Wikileaks tainted it with their bias commentary surrounding it.

 

I would really like to be able to support an organisation like Wikileaks, and I think we really really need good whistleblowing protections and organisations prepared to do what Wikileaks has done, but as soon as those organisations start to take positions on things they are introducing bias and therefore anything they release needs far more scrutiny. 





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  #1700770 10-Jan-2017 10:58
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Stan:

 

There is still no evidence that Russia was involved, its such a simple "hack" that anyone could have done it.

 

The notion of if it being a simple hack has already been debunked. Here's a pretty good Twitter thread outlining why.


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  #1700771 10-Jan-2017 10:59
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Pumpedd:

 

Stan:
Fred99:

 

Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

 

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

 

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

 

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

 

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

 

 

 



Wikileaks are probably one of the most trusted source you can get.
And I phrashed that comment as a question as it's something I read (possibly on Reddit or some such thing). I'm a skeptic Fred I'm not an "alt right" apologist please make that distinction.

 

OMG trusted....it is 100% stolen information selectively published to have maximum effect. You would be first to complain if all your personal information was stolen from your own sources and published on same lame site like Wikileaks.

 

 

 

 

Its different though isn't it. 

 

The "Lame" site like wikileaks has been responsible for exposing many war crime and bringing those who torture people to justice.


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  #1700776 10-Jan-2017 11:06
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Stan:

 

Pumpedd:

 

Stan:
Fred99:

 

Stan: I'm skeptical as we have not been offered any evidence and its such a simple "hack" too that even I could pull off wasn't his password literally "password"?

 

 

 

Please don't include / disseminate alt:right  "fake news" in this thread.

 

 

 

You have zero evidence that Podesta's password was "password".

 

 

 

Assange claims to have evidence that it was at one time "p@ssw0rd" but no evidence that this was his password at the time of the hack.

 

 

 

The hack was made after Podesta was taken in by a phishing email - so as that phishing attack was intended to get him to disclose his password - and clearly worked - then the criticism of Podesta's (alleged by Wikileaks and various alt:right sources) weak password is actually not relevant - it's an attempt to try and deflect from the reality that Russia was almost certainly behind the attacks and leaks.

 

 

 

 

 



Wikileaks are probably one of the most trusted source you can get.
And I phrashed that comment as a question as it's something I read (possibly on Reddit or some such thing). I'm a skeptic Fred I'm not an "alt right" apologist please make that distinction.

 

OMG trusted....it is 100% stolen information selectively published to have maximum effect. You would be first to complain if all your personal information was stolen from your own sources and published on same lame site like Wikileaks.

 

 

 

 

Its different though isn't it. 

 

The "Lame" site like wikileaks has been responsible for exposing many war crime and bringing those who torture people to justice.

 

 

 

 

Right or wrong I dont see it as different...it is theft and treason...regardless of what is brought to the surface. Everything comes to the surface sooner or later..ie the truth always comes out without making hero's out of people like Assange.

 

Legitimate democracies are struggling as it is to fight atrocious acts of terrorism(as we expect them to) before they occur and people like Assange makes their task a lot more difficult.

 

While I am on a rant.."congrats to Meryl Streep for having the strength of her convictions to say what she did in public. 


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  #1700777 10-Jan-2017 11:08
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I am guessing then you think what Edward Snowden did was not for the public good?

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  #1700792 10-Jan-2017 11:20
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Snowden imo did what he did for himself and is in the same boat as Assange. Dont believe what you see in the movies all the time....there is a good reason why he is stuck in Russia doing god knows what to whom!!!!

 

Dont get me wrong, some of the things Snowden brought to the surface needed to be and would have come out on their own anyways. Don't all employers have secrets?


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  #1700795 10-Jan-2017 11:29
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They do but a when they are funded when it comes to a publically funded orginization then I think we have some right to know with limits of course. I am never going to agree with that particular world view I personally think Julian Assange and Edward Snowden sacrifices was for the public good.

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  #1700802 10-Jan-2017 11:38
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Stan: They do but a when they are funded when it comes to a publically funded orginization then I think we have some right to know with limits of course. I am never going to agree with that particular world view I personally think Julian Assange and Edward Snowden sacrifices was for the public good.

 

 

 

Their actions put the lives of servicemen and women at risk. Assange does it for glory, Snowden does it for glory then forgiveness.


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  #1700803 10-Jan-2017 11:40
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MikeB4:

 

Stan: They do but a when they are funded when it comes to a publically funded orginization then I think we have some right to know with limits of course. I am never going to agree with that particular world view I personally think Julian Assange and Edward Snowden sacrifices was for the public good.

 

 

 

Their actions put the lives of servicemen and women at risk. Assange does it for glory, Snowden does it for glory then forgiveness.

 

 

Is it true that Snowden helps the Russian Government?


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  #1700816 10-Jan-2017 11:57
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How can you assume there motivation with such conviction? No they have not put people at risk!

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  #1700863 10-Jan-2017 12:43
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In any sane world, both Assange and Snowden would be tried for treason and shot if found guilty.






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  #1700866 10-Jan-2017 12:49
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Heroes can be flawed and I readily accept that both Assange and Snowden are. But I still regard them as heroes. What they did required immense courage and personal sacrifice. It is not easy to hold a superpower like America, with enormous potential for abuse, to account. For years the USA has been trying to discredit Assange and Wikileaks to reduce their ability to influence public opinion and to a considerable extent they have succeeded. Whatever Assange's shortcomings, nothing changes the fact that US soldiers were murdering and torturing innocent civilians with impunity and laughing about it until Wikileaks exposed them. The NSA thinks it has the right to spy on everyone in the world without any accountability and Snowden rightly called them to task for that. Of course these people have shortcomings and of course the American authorities and others in their pocket do everything possible to publicise and exploit those but it does not detract from the value and importance of what they did. They are heroes and if there was justice in the world they would be feted as such.

 

 

 

 





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