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#1524030 1-Apr-2016 15:41

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“otherwise innocuous herb”

SHORT-TERM EFFECTS

Sensory distortion
Panic
Anxiety
Poor coordination of movement
Lowered reaction time
After an initial “up,” the user feels sleepy or depressed
Increased heartbeat (and risk of heart attack)
LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF MARIJUANA

Reduced resistance to common illnesses (colds, bronchitis, etc.)
Suppression of the immune system
Growth disorders
Increase of abnormally structured cells in the body
Reduction of male sex hormones
Rapid destruction of lung fibers and lesions (injuries) to the brain could be permanent
Reduced sexual capacity
Study difficulties: reduced ability to learn and retain information
Apathy, drowsiness, lack of motivation
Personality and mood changes
Inability to understand things clearly

Not much different from staying up too late then...

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#1524031 1-Apr-2016 15:42

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Am I just being emotional ? I don't think so. It happens. I also support a ban on alcohol which I think is a far worse drug, but people are so focused on their "rights" they don't much care about the long term effects on society.

They tried banning alcohol before. It didn't work. That is what this whole discussion is about.

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#1524032 1-Apr-2016 15:42

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Heh, I hate to break it to you, but the "war on drugs" was actually coined in a response to curb Cocaine and Heroin importing and distribution (Primarily) from South America and into North America.

It didn't do much good, did it? The point being made by myself and others is that repression by any name just makes things worse. It is directly responsible for the rise of the criminal drug cartels because all any so-called 'crackdown' achieves is to raise the price of drugs, which raises the profits and incentives for the criminals. It is a no-win situation.

Have you ever experienced the damage, costs, wrecked lives, beaten children and beaten spouses etc etc etc caused by drugs?

legalising IS NOT the answer, education is, real education.

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#1524037 1-Apr-2016 15:49

networkn:

Interestingly, I have never taken ANY of those drugs.

I'd be very surprised if you haven't taken Panadeine/Codeine, perhaps been administered benzodiazepine, cocaine (HCL) as anaesthetic for nasal/eye interventions, ketamine in an operating theatre, but I guess there's a chance you've always been perfect in every way.

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#1524038 1-Apr-2016 15:51

MikeB4:

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Heh, I hate to break it to you, but the "war on drugs" was actually coined in a response to curb Cocaine and Heroin importing and distribution (Primarily) from South America and into North America.

It didn't do much good, did it? The point being made by myself and others is that repression by any name just makes things worse. It is directly responsible for the rise of the criminal drug cartels because all any so-called 'crackdown' achieves is to raise the price of drugs, which raises the profits and incentives for the criminals. It is a no-win situation.

Have you ever experienced the damage, costs, wrecked lives, beaten children and beaten spouses etc etc etc caused by drugs?

legalising IS NOT the answer, education is, real education.

50 years of education on the subject says you're wrong - it hasn't worked - not even combined with harsh penalties.

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#1524039 1-Apr-2016 15:53

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MikeB4:

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Heh, I hate to break it to you, but the "war on drugs" was actually coined in a response to curb Cocaine and Heroin importing and distribution (Primarily) from South America and into North America.

It didn't do much good, did it? The point being made by myself and others is that repression by any name just makes things worse. It is directly responsible for the rise of the criminal drug cartels because all any so-called 'crackdown' achieves is to raise the price of drugs, which raises the profits and incentives for the criminals. It is a no-win situation.

Have you ever experienced the damage, costs, wrecked lives, beaten children and beaten spouses etc etc etc caused by drugs?

legalising IS NOT the answer, education is, real education.

50 years of education on the subject says you're wrong - it hasn't worked - not even combined with harsh penalties.

Hence my last bit "real education"

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#1524040 1-Apr-2016 15:53

networkn:

MikeB4:

My son is a Cognitive Psychologist, he believes any legalisation of drugs will be very bad socially and medically with the affects long lasting and invasive in all aspects of society. I spent many years working in social services both voluntary and paid, I have seen all too often the devastating affects of drug and alcohol use again both physically and socially.

If legalised the ongoing costs of dealing with its aftermath would be vastly greater than the cost now.

My sister is a Drug and Alcohol Counsellor, she feels the same way. (She believes Weed use is extremely pervasive in people's emotional state long term).

I also know 3 ex heavy weed smokers who have quit and will happily share their personal opinions that weed, esp in young people, ruined their lives.

I know people in Holland who used to smoke it and then gradually stopped. Isn't that a surprise? They didn't stop smoking it for any particular reason. They just grew out of it. People do. So what does that say? It ruins some lives but not others? You could equally conclude that people who already have ruined lives, or are on that road, become drug users to ease their pain. I do not believe that one necessarily leads to the other.

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#1524041 1-Apr-2016 15:53

I think _all_ drugs should be decriminalized, and harmful use treated as a health issue ala Portugal as a bare minimum.

Personally I'd like to see most things legalized and available on every street corner like cigarettes or booze.

I've tried a variety of illegal substances over the years, including some that are allegedly the downfall of society, not become addicted to any of them, not committed any crimes or done anything particularly stupid because of or under the influences of them (except booze!), and managed to hold down a job for the last 20 odd years be a functional productive member of society, etc.

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#1524042 1-Apr-2016 15:55

Fred99:

networkn:

Interestingly, I have never taken ANY of those drugs.

I'd be very surprised if you haven't taken Panadeine/Codeine, perhaps been administered benzodiazepine, cocaine (HCL) as anaesthetic for nasal/eye interventions, ketamine in an operating theatre, but I guess there's a chance you've always been perfect in every way.

In my experience the biggest critics of illegal drugs are the biggest users of prescription drugs. I have no doubt that the same will be true in this discussion.

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#1524043 1-Apr-2016 15:55

Rikkitic:

networkn:

MikeB4:

My son is a Cognitive Psychologist, he believes any legalisation of drugs will be very bad socially and medically with the affects long lasting and invasive in all aspects of society. I spent many years working in social services both voluntary and paid, I have seen all too often the devastating affects of drug and alcohol use again both physically and socially.

If legalised the ongoing costs of dealing with its aftermath would be vastly greater than the cost now.

My sister is a Drug and Alcohol Counsellor, she feels the same way. (She believes Weed use is extremely pervasive in people's emotional state long term).

I also know 3 ex heavy weed smokers who have quit and will happily share their personal opinions that weed, esp in young people, ruined their lives.

I know people in Holland who used to smoke it and then gradually stopped. Isn't that a surprise? They didn't stop smoking it for any particular reason. They just grew out of it. People do. So what does that say? It ruins some lives but not others? You could equally conclude that people who already have ruined lives, or are on that road, become drug users to ease their pain. I do not believe that one necessarily leads to the other.

Aren't the Dutch now tightening their drug laws?

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#1524045 1-Apr-2016 15:58

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Fred99:

networkn:

Interestingly, I have never taken ANY of those drugs.

I'd be very surprised if you haven't taken Panadeine/Codeine, perhaps been administered benzodiazepine, cocaine (HCL) as anaesthetic for nasal/eye interventions, ketamine in an operating theatre, but I guess there's a chance you've always been perfect in every way.

In my experience the biggest critics of illegal drugs are the biggest users of prescription drugs. I have no doubt that the same will be true in this discussion.

Yes I take prescription medication, I have a severe incurable degenerative disease that causes severe pain day or night and disability, and yes I oppose the legalisation of illegal drugs. Your point is ?

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#1524047 1-Apr-2016 16:00

MikeB4:

michael001:

In my experience the biggest critics of illegal drugs are the biggest users of prescription drugs. I have no doubt that the same will be true in this discussion.

Yes I take prescription medication, I have a severe incurable degenerative disease that causes severe pain day or night and disability, and yes I oppose the legalisation of illegal drugs. Your point is ?

Proven.

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#1524048 1-Apr-2016 16:00

MikeB4:

michael001:

In my experience the biggest critics of illegal drugs are the biggest users of prescription drugs. I have no doubt that the same will be true in this discussion.

Yes I take prescription medication, I have a severe incurable degenerative disease that causes severe pain day or night and disability, and yes I oppose the legalisation of illegal drugs. Your point is ?

Proven.

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#1524049 1-Apr-2016 16:00

Fred99:

networkn:

Interestingly, I have never taken ANY of those drugs.

I'd be very surprised if you haven't taken Panadeine/Codeine, perhaps been administered benzodiazepine, cocaine (HCL) as anaesthetic for nasal/eye interventions, ketamine in an operating theatre, but I guess there's a chance you've always been perfect in every way.

I am, in every way, just ask my wife!

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#1524050 1-Apr-2016 16:00

MikeB4:

Fred99:

MikeB4:

Rikkitic:

networkn:

Heh, I hate to break it to you, but the "war on drugs" was actually coined in a response to curb Cocaine and Heroin importing and distribution (Primarily) from South America and into North America.

It didn't do much good, did it? The point being made by myself and others is that repression by any name just makes things worse. It is directly responsible for the rise of the criminal drug cartels because all any so-called 'crackdown' achieves is to raise the price of drugs, which raises the profits and incentives for the criminals. It is a no-win situation.

Have you ever experienced the damage, costs, wrecked lives, beaten children and beaten spouses etc etc etc caused by drugs?

legalising IS NOT the answer, education is, real education.

50 years of education on the subject says you're wrong - it hasn't worked - not even combined with harsh penalties.

Hence my last bit "real education"

That would require telling the truth about relative harm.

There are still some here who seem to believe that one puff on a joint, and you're lost forever. I'd believed that LSD was very harmful, but apparently it's nowhere near as harmful as suggested. I know that heroin is very harmful, but it's also the best analgesic for end of life pain relief, unable to be prescribed in NZ because of the crazy US "war on drugs".

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