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  #3098156 1-Jul-2023 13:43
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Years ago I swore to myself that if I ever saw a product - any product - labelled 'OLD! UNIMPROVED!' I would immediately buy it. Hasn't happened so far.

 

 





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  #3098229 1-Jul-2023 14:58
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On a related note, I'm certainly not buying another Panasonic TV. It's a TV, you know, something that's been around for decades, yet basic functionality is broken. It frequently "forgets" the volume and resets itself to 50, or sometimes it'll mute itself on startup for some reason, and it frequently resets the sound output from the external sound bar to its terrible internal speaker. How can they get this so wrong?!


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  #3098235 1-Jul-2023 15:33
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The new Shiny Slippery 1L Value Milk container without a handle anymore.

 

While the old one was not shiny, and the old shape with a handle may have been well, 'OLD'.

 

It was functional, and I can imagine for many less dexterous the change is not positive.

 

Its also nicer to pour small measured amounts using integrated handle.


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  #3098236 1-Jul-2023 15:35
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That we can get people into space, but can't make a milk bottle that when you pour it, doesn't have milk run down the side of the milk bottle. Priorities people!

 

 


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  #3098237 1-Jul-2023 15:36
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@Behodar this can often be something plugged in via HDMI sending garbage HDMI-CEC comms, not the TV itself.


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  #3098328 1-Jul-2023 15:55
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Our Sony TV / Shield / Samsung sound bar also likes to swap the speakers it uses. Annoying.





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  #3098378 1-Jul-2023 16:16
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RunningMan:

 

@Behodar this can often be something plugged in via HDMI sending garbage HDMI-CEC comms, not the TV itself.

 

 

CEC is disabled on the TV, so it should be ignoring any CEC regardless of its validity.


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  #3098401 1-Jul-2023 17:51
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Behodar:

We're putting a website replacement out for tender, and one of the requirements in the document was "pages must load in less than three seconds on a typical connection and computer". I took one look at this and said something like "uhhh.... the most complex page on the existing site takes about half a second to load and render on my old i3: are we really setting a target of something a sixth of that speed?!"

 

It got "improved" to two seconds.

 

 

Reading this again, I can see why they did it, it's setting boundaries for performance, "as fast as possible but if it's any more than 3s we have grounds for not paying you". Whoever wrote the RFP knows what they're doing.

 

 

Either that or they've been burned before.

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  #3098402 1-Jul-2023 18:01
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rb99:

Ah yes, the new, improved, prettier, more complicated, longer to load, dificult to navigate website. Reminds me of rebranding. Dump a well known, probably respected company name / brand for a new one that no one can either pronounce or remember just so you can spend a fortume on new headed notepaper.

 

 

This happened to me today at the post shop. NZ Post bags have always had the price printed on them in large letters so if your Trademe item had $6.40 shipping you could ask for a $6.40 bag, pay, and post. Went in today and they've all gone (no doubt generating 3 cubic km of plastic waste), to be replaced by ones with arbitrary size letters printed on them. I asked whether NZ Post had just got a new CEO, which is usually the reason for this pointless rebranding.

 

 

Turns out it was just a way to disguise a price hike. Same crap service, they get to fire a lot of people, there's a ton of CO2 emissions from the now-unsellable previous bags, and it all costs a lot more.

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  #3098405 1-Jul-2023 18:22
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msukiwi:

New & Improved = Rarely Improved! 

 

 

Extensive marketing research has shown that one of the most affective things [*] that you can slap on any product is "New". "Improved" and "Free" are close behind, along with anything with a number promotion, e.g. "2 for $5". Marketers would be remiss in not applying them.

 

 

[*] Affective, not just effective. The technical term for them is affective tags.

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  #3098407 1-Jul-2023 18:24
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Rikkitic:

Years ago I swore to myself that if I ever saw a product - any product - labelled 'OLD! UNIMPROVED!' I would immediately buy it. Hasn't happened so far.

 

 

Saw some comment years about about the use of the term "legacy", as in "we need to replace this legacy hardware/software/whatever". "Legacy" is code for "it works".

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  #3098410 1-Jul-2023 18:31
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networkn:

That we can get people into space, but can't make a milk bottle that when you pour it, doesn't have milk run down the side of the milk bottle. Priorities people!

 

 

Ah, the moon-ghetto metaphor, "if we can put a man on the moon then we should be able to solve the problem of inner-city ghettos". An earlier version was "if we can sail people to the colonies in the New World then we should be able to make a teapot that doesn't dribble all over the table". And before that "if we can make a chariot that goes faster than a man can run then we should be able to solve this sanitation problem".

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  #3098411 1-Jul-2023 18:34
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@Behodar this can often be something plugged in via HDMI sending garbage HDMI-CEC comms, not the TV itself.

 

 

Yup, it's almost always ARC/CEC screwing things up, not the device itself, our Samsung TV does this too. Solution was to fit a cheapie HDMI switch that physically disconnects the HDMI input so the ARC/CEC signalling is blocked.

 

 

Edited to add: Given how broken ARC/CEC is, I figured there'd be various simple hardware devices to fix this.

 

 

Edited a second time: Or if you're OK with delicate work and won't be plugging/unplugging the cable much, you can DIY it at zero cost. I'd use Kapton tape if you have it.

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  #3098412 1-Jul-2023 18:36
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Behodar:

CEC is disabled on the TV,

 

 

"The TV is showing CEC as disabled in the menu". There's a difference.

 

 

(It's disabled here too, but unless the HDMI switch is toggled you still get problems with audio).

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  #3098496 1-Jul-2023 23:30
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msukiwi:

New & Improved




Is it New, or is it Improved?

Impossible to have both.

One or the other.


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