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Topic # 171994 7-May-2015 22:15
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So I see on the Herald website that a woman has had her $128,000 Audi forefeited to the Crown for collecting too many cockles....and was fined a further $1,500.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in NZ, drivers placing the rest of us and our families at risk by driving drunk are likely to cop a fine of a couple of hundred dollars at most in many cases.

Just how is it that collecting shellfish attracts greater penalties than drink driving, burglary and so on?! She was not cited as collecting them for sale or anything either.

Seems completely bonkers.





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  Reply # 1300256 7-May-2015 22:22
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You're right, poaching penalties are draconian compared with other more heinous crimes. Bit of a mystery, that.

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Reply # 1300259 7-May-2015 22:23
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Would this not happen in the UK? 

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1300260 7-May-2015 22:25
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so you think if someone clears a beach of aquatic life they should be slapped with a wet fine of a few hundy?



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Reply # 1300273 7-May-2015 22:47
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Dratsab: Would this not happen in the UK? 


We buy food in shops there - we largely gave up living off the land as we moved into the 20th century.....







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  Reply # 1300274 7-May-2015 22:49
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MadEngineer: so you think if someone clears a beach of aquatic life they should be slapped with a wet fine of a few hundy?


I've no idea what a 'hundy' is but if you mean should the fine for picking up meaningless and plentiful  shellfish be less than placing the public at risk through, say, driving whilst drunk then the answer is most assuredly yes.





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  Reply # 1300280 7-May-2015 23:01
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The consequences of a dead ocean far outweigh the consequences of a single fatal car crash.

A hundy is $100

What would you suggest the fine for excessive collection of shellfish be worth?

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  Reply # 1300286 7-May-2015 23:06
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Geektastic: So I see on the Herald website that a woman has had her $128,000 Audi forefeited to the Crown for collecting too many cockles....and was fined a further $1,500.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in NZ, drivers placing the rest of us and our families at risk by driving drunk are likely to cop a fine of a couple of hundred dollars at most in many cases.

Just how is it that collecting shellfish attracts greater penalties than drink driving, burglary and so on?! She was not cited as collecting them for sale or anything either.

Seems completely bonkers.


Well to be fair theft of not easily replaced resources affects a lot more people and for a lot longer than a drink driver who kills someone. 

I am not suggesting Drink Driving deaths aren't tragic or terrible, but if we keep draining the planet of it's resources at the rate we are, there won't be anyone on the roads for drink drivers to kill. 

For the record I strongly support a zero alcohol or drug limit to operate any vehicle. If you can afford to drink you can afford a taxi.


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  Reply # 1300298 7-May-2015 23:16
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Agree. Marine life struggles to bounce back, there have been beaches that had been illegally combed for shell fish, now people who return to their childhood beach to collect a few pipis with their kids turn up with buckets and wonder why it's empty

Some fish reserves have been netted out, again by a single event, never to recover. There was one in the Marlborough Sounds my grandad used to take me to and the sea would boil with fish after throwing in a single Alice of bread. Now gone.

Losing a single materialistic car vs marine life that may never recover? Yeah. Could be harsher.

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  Reply # 1300306 7-May-2015 23:44
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Geektastic:
Just how is it that collecting shellfish attracts greater penalties than drink driving, burglary and so on?!


Her punishment seems reasonable to me. Over several decades it has been obvious that the policing of illegal fishing is very difficult - the ministry responsible for fisheries has to rely on the general public reporting those who break the law. That's one reason why the punitive measures have become correspondingly greater.

Just how is that you should use this example and not mention that the article says she had a massive haul for one person:
They found Wei with a large sack containing 1162 cockles and 183 whelks. A further 960 oysters were found in her vehicle.


From your questions I inferred that the article might mention some mitigating factors but it appears there are none. The authorities may not have been able to prove that she was profiting from them by sale or barter but it seems likely that there is a commercial profit driving depredation.



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  Reply # 1300309 7-May-2015 23:51
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Sounds very fair to me, and she is punished with equal 'hurt' to a poor person driving a $5000 car . Reminds me of Finlands speeding fines based on your income--- the nokia CEO received a $200k speeding fine from memory. 

Species collapse is extremely serious and recovery can take decades. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery




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  Reply # 1300310 7-May-2015 23:54
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Boats and vehicles that are used for illegal fishing have always been forfeited to the crown if you get caught. If she had used a $500 bomb of a car to collect shellfish in she would have only lost that.

Got no problem with her loosing that Audi though.

This has got me thinking - drink drive penalties should be increased to: Forfeit the car you were driving in if caught. And if it is not your car - A fine of the value of that car added onto the original punishment / fine for drink driving.


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Then there are these 2. $40,000 fine for not wearing a helmet on a quad bike and $5,000 fine for doing illegal gasfitting that causes a gas explosion that kills someone.







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  Reply # 1300333 8-May-2015 06:24
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Geektastic:

We buy food in shops there - we largely gave up living off the land as we moved into the 20th century.....


And then you fled that country and now live here in New Zealand where fisheries officers confiscate criminals tools in order protect our resources.

What would be 'bonkers' if the fisheries officers turned up at burglaries or started arresting people for drunk driving.




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  Reply # 1300342 8-May-2015 06:59
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Geektastic: So I see on the Herald website that a woman has had her $128,000 Audi forefeited to the Crown for collecting too many cockles....and was fined a further $1,500.

Meanwhile, elsewhere in NZ, drivers placing the rest of us and our families at risk by driving drunk are likely to cop a fine of a couple of hundred dollars at most in many cases.

Just how is it that collecting shellfish attracts greater penalties than drink driving, burglary and so on?! She was not cited as collecting them for sale or anything either.

Seems completely bonkers.


Well, she should just thank her lucky Key that she wasn't making it slightly easier for other people to copy DVDs. Otherwise military-armed police in helicopters would have descended on her house in a surprise dawn raid and taken everything.




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  Reply # 1300348 8-May-2015 07:40
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Geektastic:
Dratsab: Would this not happen in the UK? 


We buy food in shops there - we largely gave up living off the land as we moved into the 20th century.....


So all those people you see collecting mushrooms etc in the English country or gathering shellfish in the estuaries or fishing are just imaginary.




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  Reply # 1300349 8-May-2015 07:44
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She got what she deserved, she was greedy and taking from the present and the future.




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