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#803003 21-Apr-2013 11:24

I guess this is the problem with having "all in one" devices which terminate the connection and are the Wireless AP as well. As soon as you put them into a large metal box they don't work very well. The Location of these cabinets is usually in the garage and a long away from where people actually are.

Yes you could move the Router/AP to someplace else but then you would "waste" 2 ethernet's. One from the ONT -> Router and then one back to the Cabinet where you would have a switch to plug the rest of the house in to. If you are using the VoIP as well on the all-in-one devices if you remove it outside the Cabinet getting the Phone back is a hassle as well. (Yes you could use 3 ethernet's back)

One Suggestion is not to use the Wireless on the Router at all and use a dedicated wireless AP . Unifi have some nice wireless access points. I would suggest a Unifi pro (5G+2.4G Wireless) or if you have a little more money the Unifi AC With 802.11ac. You might look into getting a switch which does POE in the cabinet so if you have a Unifi (Pro and AC) or something else you can use the switches POE to run it (the Normal UNifi's are not standard POE and you have to use one of their adapters)

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#803011 21-Apr-2013 11:55

As your only after 100Mb/s Fast Ethernet to and from the ONT you can use a single data circuit and split it.

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#803040 21-Apr-2013 13:16

StevieT:
Nuwanda:

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Will anyone who gets a fibre optic internet connection require one of those (regardless of ISP)?

Who installed the phone jack right beside the mains?

I don't know the code, but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be that close together. If not for safety, but also induced interference from the dirty mains.

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#803043 21-Apr-2013 13:19

kiwirock: Who installed the phone jack right beside the mains?

I don't know the code, but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be that close together. If not for safety, but also induced interference from the dirty mains.

300 mm minimum separation is recommended.

Whatifthespacekeyhadneverbeeninvented?

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#803047 21-Apr-2013 13:31

I dont see any issue with the seperation of services. They dont share the same faceplate, and there is a durable solid barrier between the two (ie capping on the TPS), so all meets code. Mains interference, it will take more than that.

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#803053 21-Apr-2013 14:13

cyril7: Vladimir, why dont you move the Fritzbox to somewhere useful where its wireless can acutually work properly, rather than being locked in a Faraday cage.

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This is an issue I know face. Apparently when they have 2 cabinets to the disposal like we have now they give the option of where to stick the fritz. Either mounted on the wall outside the cabinet (fugly) with a feed into it, or slapped inside one of said cages.

The cabinet was too small for all the extra eth/coax we installed. So a 2nd one was installed above the ETP on an opposite garage wall. As a result, the fritz will be going into that along with the ONT, and 2 Cat5 fed to the main dist box for the internet/VOIP services.

My idea was then to put my current RTA1025 into wireless repeater and simply throw it in the roof space to cover what said Faraday cage stops. I may not get DECT signal from it, but at least the rest of the house will get a wifi boost.

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#803192 21-Apr-2013 18:31

I'm no expert on this stuff, but you will never get the full speed on a speedtest due to the TCP/IP overhead (about 5 - 10%). And there is no connect speed on Fibre. Plenty of comments on GZ about this.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a better test is FTP downloads (that use UDP) and convert the download speed back up to what the connection speed would be?

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#803198 21-Apr-2013 18:44

I don't know if the Rate limiting (for a 100/50 connection) is 100Mbps Layer 2 or 100Mbps Layer 3 but if its 100Mbps L3 then connecting at Gig Speeds to Router would make a difference.

If you are connected at 100Mbps to the ONT due to overheads you may get 90 Mbps L3 (100Mbps L2) to the ONT (ignoring the Fibre Rate limiting) but if you are connected at 1G L2 you may get 100Mbps L3

Also if you are connecting via PPPoE vs DHCP it might be slower due to overhead.

For a 30/10 Connection Connecting via 100Mbps or 1Gbps won't make any difference.

I must test one day... (or read up the spec properly)

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#803350 21-Apr-2013 22:33

Reading the specs won't help. Things can change for the strangest reasons. I predict much confusion in the ongoing measurement of UFB speeds.

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#803462 22-Apr-2013 09:09

cyril7: Vladimir, why dont you move the Fritzbox to somewhere useful where its wireless can acutually work properly, rather than being locked in a Faraday cage.

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Thank you, it's already done. I have published these photos just to show how it looked when technician finished his job.

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#821908 19-May-2013 12:37

DarthKermit:
kiwirock: Who installed the phone jack right beside the mains?

I don't know the code, but I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be that close together. If not for safety, but also induced interference from the dirty mains.

300 mm minimum separation is recommended.

Thats only from sources of interference such as flourescent lights or long parallel runs. 50mm separation required if theres no physical barrier. However putting phone next to power in a cabinet is not best practice because cables have to run to the outlets and can be inconvenient, if not tangled or even tied together. The theory was probably that the phone stuff is changing to VoIP anyway.

Time to find a new industry!

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#821943 19-May-2013 13:36

pjamieson:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a better test is FTP downloads (that use UDP) and convert the download speed back up to what the connection speed would be?

FTP uses TCP, not UDP.

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#821979 19-May-2013 15:43

Nuwanda: Good stuff.

Was the Snap install a test install for them? Nov seems early even though the fibre has been in for almost a year.

What do you mean that it took a while to get things working correctly? The VOIP?

Oh, out of interest, could you try the speedtest.net speed test? Wouldn't mind seeing what your speeds are to the Auckland, Orcon server.

FYI - Here's my speedtest to Orcon. Snap UFB 100/50 (Timaru)

I also had an aerial installation, they asked me if I wanted to keep the copper line or not - I had no need, so just said no, and they took it down - but I got the impression that if I had wanted it left there would have been no problem.

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#821982 19-May-2013 15:51

Nice ping and download speed from >600kms.

maslink:
Nuwanda: Good stuff.

Was the Snap install a test install for them? Nov seems early even though the fibre has been in for almost a year.

What do you mean that it took a while to get things working correctly? The VOIP?

Oh, out of interest, could you try the speedtest.net speed test? Wouldn't mind seeing what your speeds are to the Auckland, Orcon server.

FYI - Here's my speedtest to Orcon. Snap UFB 100/50 (Timaru)

I also had an aerial installation, they asked me if I wanted to keep the copper line or not - I had no need, so just said no, and they took it down - but I got the impression that if I had wanted it left there would have been no problem.

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#822256 20-May-2013 10:00

LennonNZ: I don't know if the Rate limiting (for a 100/50 connection) is 100Mbps Layer 2 or 100Mbps Layer 3 but if its 100Mbps L3 then connecting at Gig Speeds to Router would make a difference.

If you are connected at 100Mbps to the ONT due to overheads you may get 90 Mbps L3 (100Mbps L2) to the ONT (ignoring the Fibre Rate limiting) but if you are connected at 1G L2 you may get 100Mbps L3

Also if you are connecting via PPPoE vs DHCP it might be slower due to overhead.

For a 30/10 Connection Connecting via 100Mbps or 1Gbps won't make any difference.

I must test one day... (or read up the spec properly)

100 megabit seems to be layer 2, and maximum rather than target. it could still make a slight difference though. i'd really rather it was burst to gigabit for 5 msec or something.

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