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#2515689 1-Jul-2020 14:53

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@mezla1058 You honestly think that is a rip off? Are you kidding or just trying to make some silly joke

2Gbp/s and 4Gbp/s each way this pricing is amazing

It is really not.

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#2515691 1-Jul-2020 14:57

It really is. 99% of people here don't have a clue as to what investment and technical implications there are for a responsible RSP to offer 2Gbps (and especially 4Gbps) retail services in the current environment.

There's a lot more cost involved than just the higher per month input fee from the LFC.

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#2515695 1-Jul-2020 15:02

mezla1058:

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@mezla1058 You honestly think that is a rip off? Are you kidding or just trying to make some silly joke

2Gbp/s and 4Gbp/s each way this pricing is amazing

It is really not.

@mezla1058 WOW just amazing and I can remember the pricing of $10 per MB of data over GPRS (less than dial up speed

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#2515701 1-Jul-2020 15:11

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@mezla1058 WOW just amazing and I can remember the pricing of $10 per MB of data over GPRS (less than dial up speed

Yes. Yes. I know. You also used to walk to school in the snow uphill both ways.

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#2515702 1-Jul-2020 15:15

@Mezla1058 - On what basis do you think the 2 and 4Gbps pricing is a rip-off? Because it seems to me that you are making a baseless assertion with little to no knowledge about the costs or performance/system/process implications in the NZ market.

But by all means, back up what I perceive as a wild assertion with a reasoned, logical and correct argument and I'll change my mind.

Cheers - N

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#2515705 1-Jul-2020 15:18

Sean2842:

When 10g networking gear becomes more affordable and more available I'll probably get it.

You can now, I have 10G Fiber and 56G Fiber in my home for the LAN, you can pick up cheap 2nd hand Mellanox cards off of EBay and off you go.

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#2515707 1-Jul-2020 15:22

Talkiet:

@Mezla1058 - On what basis do you think the 2 and 4Gbps pricing is a rip-off? Because it seems to me that you are making a baseless assertion with little to no knowledge about the costs or performance/system/process implications in the NZ market.

But by all means, back up what I perceive as a wild assertion with a reasoned, logical and correct argument and I'll change my mind.

Cheers - N

I'll quote you again in about 6-12 months, once it is available in more places and more ISPs are offering those plans. We'll see what non-ripoff prices are really like.

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#2515709 1-Jul-2020 15:24

mezla1058:

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@mezla1058 You honestly think that is a rip off? Are you kidding or just trying to make some silly joke

2Gbp/s and 4Gbp/s each way this pricing is amazing

It is really not.

So what would be a reasonable price for a best efforts service that potentially you could transfer 1296TB of data per month internationally on Southern Cross Cable.

To say that sub $200 for a domestic service where a single user can potentially create 10x the usage costs only on international links to provide the capacity vs what the ISP is paid for the plan and saying it is over priced shows you have no idea of the costs around running an ISP.

Billing + Helpdesk + BNG Network Infrastructure + Domestic Transit + International Transit + Wages.

At those sorts of prices and if many customers signed up, and just left torrents running 24/7 it could quickly bankrupt the ISP or create significant over-subscription on domestic and international links for the ISP that would mean all ISP customers got a rubbish experience because of a few greedy folks ruining it for everyone. Or the plans would be closed, or shaping would be introduced during peak hours or other less desirable outcomes.

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#2515710 1-Jul-2020 15:24

mezla1058:

Talkiet:

@Mezla1058 - On what basis do you think the 2 and 4Gbps pricing is a rip-off? Because it seems to me that you are making a baseless assertion with little to no knowledge about the costs or performance/system/process implications in the NZ market.

But by all means, back up what I perceive as a wild assertion with a reasoned, logical and correct argument and I'll change my mind.

Cheers - N

I'll quote you again in about 6-12 months, once it is available in more places and more ISPs are offering those plans. We'll see what non-ripoff prices are really like.

Weak.

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#2515717 1-Jul-2020 15:36

mezla1058:

halper86: Anyone been able to play and test there their hyperfibre during lockdown or now? :)

Still a bit of a rip off at the moment.

Orcon 199 for 4 gigs

MyRepublic 149 for 2 gigs and 179 for 4 gigs

Chorus website initially claimed "small premium" when asked about how much that will cost. That line is gone now.

"small premium" my arse.

My understanding "Modest Premium" comment was in relation to whole sale not retail price:

https://company.chorus.co.nz/chorus-hyperfibre-set-redefine-fast-broadband-new-zealand

Also the comments were made in relation to current pricing, not the future pricing. I think wholesale gig pricing has recently dropped.

Even in terms of retail pricing. Roughly double gig price buys 4 time the bandwidth. Not bad in my book. Even without considering the specialized gear that needs to go into providing that service.

Remembering of course that multigig residential connections are globally rare. Typically multi-gig internet is commercially targeted at thousands of dollars a month.

The fact that we are getting residential miltigig internet available for a decent chunk of our population at an attainable price for residential consumers is frankly amazing.

The above said, I planned when I was young to all-ways have the fastest (reasonably attainable) internet. I am going to have to break this as I can't even fully take utilize my gig connection, so anything faster would be wasteful.

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#2515719 1-Jul-2020 15:52

mezla1058:

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@mezla1058 WOW just amazing and I can remember the pricing of $10 per MB of data over GPRS (less than dial up speed

Yes. Yes. I know. You also used to walk to school in the snow uphill both ways.

@mezla1058 Can't remember last time it snowed in Auckland and normally I rode a push bike or later years rode a motorcycle to work

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#2515733 1-Jul-2020 16:24

mezla1058:
Talkiet:

@Mezla1058 - On what basis do you think the 2 and 4Gbps pricing is a rip-off? Because it seems to me that you are making a baseless assertion with little to no knowledge about the costs or performance/system/process implications in the NZ market.

But by all means, back up what I perceive as a wild assertion with a reasoned, logical and correct argument and I'll change my mind.

Cheers - N

I'll quote you again in about 6-12 months, once it is available in more places and more ISPs are offering those plans. We'll see what non-ripoff prices are really like.

Although this offering is to any residential - let alone commercial customer, they are not for the standard households that stream netflix onto a 4K and a few phones. These plans are targeted for the top 1% of consumer internet users in the country at the moment, it’s more like a taste of what’s to come i suppose. No one is saying you have to bite the bullet and get it, stop complaining unless you are seriously considering getting it.

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#2515949 2-Jul-2020 05:56

I'll be getting it. Cannot wait!

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#2515950 2-Jul-2020 06:15

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mezla1058:

I'll quote you again in about 6-12 months, once it is available in more places and more ISPs are offering those plans. We'll see what non-ripoff prices are really like.

Weak.

N.

Don't you know that a ripoff is whatever someone on the internet says it is. Logic and common sense is over rated, we've got Karen or whatever his name is

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#2515961 2-Jul-2020 07:31

Sean2842:

When 10g networking gear becomes more affordable and more available I'll probably get it.

I've put a lot if investigative hours into this and come to the conclusion that the trick to breaking the 1G barrier at home is not 10GBASET. The key technology that makes it usable and "practical" is "multi-gig". By this I mean multi-gigabit switching where the ports are 1G/2.5G/5G/10G capable or a subset of it. Switches are coming into the market like the Netgear ProSAFE MS510TXPP or the Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM which can deliver 2.5GBASET and 5GBASET as well as 10GBASET. There are lots of issues trying to deliver 10GBASET to end users including cabling type/distance and the ability of end devices to practically accept 10G. To install a 10G card in a desktop you need an available PCIEx4 (well PCIEx2 but those are rare) slot or a Thunderbolt port with a large unwieldy SFP+ adapter. But for 2.5GBASET any usb3 port can be used with a 30USD adapter from Ali. 2.5G and 5G usb adapters are becoming readily available (5G less so but I've got one on order from Amazon so will see what that's like). For the gateway the option of trying the Chorus ONT is viable (will be testing it) but the primary option I have chosen is the Mikrotik RB4011iGS+RM which is very affordable for its capability. It only has one 10G port but that combined with the CRS312-4C+8XG-RM should do the trick nicely. I found a nice posting on youtube on how to swap out the switch fans for nice quiet ones to make it more home friendly. It will be interesting to see how it all comes together, I think 2.5G (and 5Gig) will become a more normal/affordable thing in the coming years as people come to the conclusion that 10GBASET isn't that practical due to its excessive power/heat and cabling requirements but 1G is no longer enough for anything requiring large file transfers. Do I think the average house needs more than 1G of internet? most certainly not, but power users will still want a way to break the 1G barrier so getting the hang of how to deliver this is well worth testing at this point.

Oh, and for any wireless vendors out there, please don't bother to develop any more "wifi 6" devices if you are only going to equip them with 1G uplinks! invest the extra couple of dollars for a 2.5G uplink or just don't bother. :-)

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