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#174998 13-Jun-2015 10:14

Hi, I'm considering building a local one-off WISP solution in a remote South Island town.

My sister who is a Spark employee lives in the town and is able to get ADSL (I'm not sure what flavour) and apparently someone else in the town has a high-speed connection from Spark which I presume can only be a DDS or Layer 2 connection of some sort.

The town I am hoping to build this WISP in is Kingston at the southern end of Lake Wakatipu.

How would I go about finding out the practicality and cost of doing this in this area ? Iv looked on the Spark website and there is nothing.

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#1323895 13-Jun-2015 11:02

Kingston has no HSNS lite or premium availability but is cabinetised with 100% VDSL2 availability.

It is entirely possible that Chorus could provide you with a HSNS fibre connection for a price - and I'm not talking a few hundred dollars here, I'm talking quite a few 0's

None of this has anything to do with Spark. They are not an infrastructure provider. If HSNS was available Spark probably could provide you with a HSNS connection, at a complete ballpark figure I'd probably start looking at somewhere in the vicinity of maybe $1000 per month for 10Mbps out of there.

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#1324683 15-Jun-2015 04:03

sbiddle: Kingston has no HSNS lite or premium availability but is cabinetised with 100% VDSL2 availability.

It is entirely possible that Chorus could provide you with a HSNS fibre connection for a price - and I'm not talking a few hundred dollars here, I'm talking quite a few 0's

None of this has anything to do with Spark. They are not an infrastructure provider. If HSNS was available Spark probably could provide you with a HSNS connection, at a complete ballpark figure I'd probably start looking at somewhere in the vicinity of maybe $1000 per month for 10Mbps out of there.

Thanks for the info mate.

There is a lady who works for Alcatel-Lucent living in Kingston with a super high-speed connection. I guess she must have whatever you suggested was available.

Thing is - due to the lay of the land, it would be relatively inexpensive to provide wireless internet to the whole town off the back of a good enough backbone.

Thats what I want to do I guess.

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#1324684 15-Jun-2015 04:06

sbiddle: at a complete ballpark figure I'd probably start looking at somewhere in the vicinity of maybe $1000 per month for 10Mbps out of there.

10Mbps? How come so low?

I know you weren't giving me a quote per say - but would you expect that be able to get an 'unlimited' connection in place?

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#1324691 15-Jun-2015 07:17

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sbiddle: at a complete ballpark figure I'd probably start looking at somewhere in the vicinity of maybe $1000 per month for 10Mbps out of there.

10Mbps? How come so low? I know you weren't giving me a quote per say - but would you expect that be able to get an 'unlimited' connection in place?

"High speed" is probably VDSL2 - it's available for basically 100% of the town. There is no fibre available there, so it's not possible for her to have it

You really need to understand the differences between connection types

VDSL, UFB and ADSL are best effort services.

Business HSNS fibre is a dedicated connection with dedicated CIR. Getting data out of Queenstown is very expensive, hence the high cost. 10Mbps CIR requires a 100Mbps connection with a 10Mbps CIR on top. This would cost around $450ish per month in a major city like Wellington or Auckland just for the fibre connection alone and excludes all data. You would certainly be able to get an unlimited plan, but I suspect the real world price for what you want is going to make your project totally uneconomical.

If you're going to start reselling services you need to be doing it properly and have your own address space anyway from an upstream, or a proper CG-NAT solution, and fully understand your TICSA obligations.

The fact there is no fibre there (and it's not a current HSNS zone) it would also been a build out for it from a cabinet if Chorus were interested in doing this. This could realistically be anywhere from $30k - $100k or even more depending on the hardware requirements and civil work required.

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#1324693 15-Jun-2015 07:27

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swine:
sbiddle: at a complete ballpark figure I'd probably start looking at somewhere in the vicinity of maybe $1000 per month for 10Mbps out of there.

10Mbps? How come so low? I know you weren't giving me a quote per say - but would you expect that be able to get an 'unlimited' connection in place?

"High speed" is probably VDSL2 - it's available for basically 100% of the town. There is no fibre available there, so it's not possible for her to have it

You really need to understand the differences between connection types

VDSL, UFB and ADSL are best effort services.

Business HSNS fibre is a dedicated connection with dedicated CIR. Getting data out of Queenstown is very expensive, hence the high cost. 10Mbps CIR requires a 100Mbps connection with a 10Mbps CIR on top. This would cost around $450ish per month in a major city like Wellington or Auckland just for the fibre connection alone and excludes all data.

If you're going to start reselling services you need to be doing it properly and have your own address space anyway from an upstream, or a proper CG-NAT solution, and fully understand your TICSA obligations.

The fact there is no fibre there (and it's not a current HSNS zone) it would also been a build out for it from a cabinet if Chorus were interested in doing this. This could realistically be anywhere from $30k - $100k or even more depending on the hardware requirements and civil work required.

Are you referring to what used to be called Global Gateway? Or the Telecom DDS Circuits?

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#1324694 15-Jun-2015 07:29

swine:
Are you referring to what used to be called Global Gateway? Or the Telecom DDS Circuits?

Nope.

HSNS is a stock standard Chorus fibre product that delivers a L2 service between the RSP and customer.

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#1324695 15-Jun-2015 07:30

sbiddle:
swine:
Are you referring to what used to be called Global Gateway? Or the Telecom DDS Circuits?

Nope.

HSNS is a stock standard Chorus fibre product that delivers a L2 service between the RSP and customer.

I notice that Kordia have a POP in Queenstown.......I presume that this is too far away to tap into?

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#1324697 15-Jun-2015 07:34

"Kingston has no HSNS lite or premium availability but is cabinetised with 100% VDSL2 availability."

07:31 swine
Kingston is VDSL2 cabinitised
07:31 Kimberley Marshall Nah Neither is Papakura lol
07:31 swine
"Kingston has no HSNS lite or premium availability but is cabinetised with 100% VDSL2 availability."
07:32 Kimberley Marshall Well that's not what the chorus map says Not where my house is anyway. 99 hampshire

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#1324698 15-Jun-2015 07:37

swine:
sbiddle:
swine:
Are you referring to what used to be called Global Gateway? Or the Telecom DDS Circuits?

Nope.

HSNS is a stock standard Chorus fibre product that delivers a L2 service between the RSP and customer.

I notice that Kordia have a POP in Queenstown.......I presume that this is too far away to tap into?

You really need to be discussing this plan with an upstream provider because you want to start an ISP.. And there is a lot involved. Who did you plan on using for upstream? How will addressing be handled? What equipment will you use and importantly ensuring your TICSA compliance with the GCSB all need to be addressed before you can even think about other things.

Kordia have a POP, but you first of all need to get backhaul to that and look at whether it's viable. If you're only going to have 20 customers you won't be making any money if it's costing y(hypothetically) $1000+ per month just for upstream.

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#1324700 15-Jun-2015 07:43

sbiddle:
swine:
sbiddle:
swine:
Are you referring to what used to be called Global Gateway? Or the Telecom DDS Circuits?

Nope.

HSNS is a stock standard Chorus fibre product that delivers a L2 service between the RSP and customer.

I notice that Kordia have a POP in Queenstown.......I presume that this is too far away to tap into?

Who did you plan on using for upstream? Spark/SNAP/Kordia or one of them.... (or do you mean upstream international?)
How will addressing be handled? NAT
What equipment will you use? Ubiquity

and importantly ensuring your TICSA compliance with the GCSB all need to be addressed before you can even think about other things.

blah I was hoping to just piggyback of my provider for any of these kind of things..

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#1324701 15-Jun-2015 07:46

Not sure what map they're looking at.

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#1324702 15-Jun-2015 07:49

You can't just opt out of TICSA obligation, and as you're planning on just using NAT your life is even more difficult as you need to track each customer to ensure you can identify them to be compliant.

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#1324705 15-Jun-2015 07:55

sbiddle: Not sure what map they're looking at.

The Chorus coverage map

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#1324732 15-Jun-2015 08:49

swine: "Kingston has no HSNS lite or premium availability but is cabinetised with 100% VDSL2 availability."

Might want to remove her address if she doesn't want it publicized.

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#1324752 15-Jun-2015 09:34

eXDee:
swine: "Kingston has no HSNS lite or premium availability but is cabinetised with 100% VDSL2 availability."

Might want to remove her address if she doesn't want it publicized.

I wanted sbiddle to see it

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