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# 207819 15-Jan-2017 14:02
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Enable finished installing UFB a few days ago in our fibre-only place which is a part of an MDU complex. Found out today that my two neighbours (our house is in between them) had ITP's installed in their patch panels and our install didn't have one. So theirs have the ONT connected to this small box (ITP, I just learned the name today) through a thinner yellow cable (compared to a CAT 6 cable) with green ends. Ours just have the blue cable behind the ONT.

 

Is there some reason why our install would differ to theirs? Had I known about ITPs before I would have asked our installer why ours didn't have one. Is this not part of a standard install? Is there any value to having this little box?

 

Aesthetically I am glad that there's more space in the panel BUT I am too worried about that blue fibre cable sticking out... Murphy's law is always with me so I am almost too sure I'll be put in a position where I'll wreck this cable. Especially I still have to fix things around the panel. Is the cable durable? Does the ITP provide more stability to the fibre connection? Or no effect?

 

In case I wanted this box, can I still have it installed even if I okay-ed the install already?

 

 

 

Tried to search about this in the forum and I found one post preferring the install like ours because of more space.

 

 

 

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  # 1703554 15-Jan-2017 14:57
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The bend in the fibre (blue cable) is quite concerning. As fibre is essentially glass I would personally move the ONT up closer to the power points - as this is only cable tied you can do this with ease and just mount it again - there should be enough room in the wall to push the fibre up leaving less in the panel and hopefully preventing accidents from happening.

The UFB fibre can come in a few colours - normally they provision 2 seperate fibres to a household (Yellow and Blue) so they can do multiple installs without having to draw a whole new fibre through.

Also if youre using that router for WiFi I'd put it out in the open if I were you :) locked in a cabinet is not a good place for the router unless if it just a router.




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  # 1703567 15-Jan-2017 15:18
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(see pic: "ITP" to the right of the power outlet on the wall)

 

Nearly all Enable installs I have seen on a wall have one of those ITPs. I guess it will make it easier to move the ONT in the future.

 

I don't really see the point of having one in a cupboard.


 
 
 
 




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  # 1703568 15-Jan-2017 15:22
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@michaelmurphy I pulled the white cord covering the fibre cable down so it isn't sticking out. It still concerns me because I have a power strip down there as well. I didn't realise that the power adapters are large (new to NZ) that they wouldn't fit in the power points so I added the strip last minute. Thinking of taping the white cord to the wall so the fibre cable wouldn't move.

 

The HG659 seems OK for our needs for now and fortunately the house is a small townhouse. There's WIFI signal from end to end. The patch is on the second floor though so there's less WIFI bars downstairs. I'm planning on upgrading this router to something that would give me more stats and will probably add a dedicated AP so downstairs would get better internet in the future.

 

Here's the neighbours' install and I wish I saw theirs earlier...

 

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Normally before closing the patch ours would look like this

 

I have yet to buy the ties so I can better place the stuff in. I really am so sorry for the mess.

 

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So no go on asking Enable to add an ITP?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1703571 15-Jan-2017 15:24
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an itp is part of the enable install (its in the install requirements)

 

the part it was missed is more along the llines of the following:

 

Installer was cutting corners, Installer actually didnt have the required ITP, Installer was Lazy and skipped that bit (See cutting Corners),

 

 

 

maybe ring enable and ask then to complete the install properly.





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  # 1703572 15-Jan-2017 15:24
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why do you need one? does the internet not work?


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  # 1703575 15-Jan-2017 15:33
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@phantomdb Really really thanks for that! I think contractor just wanted it to be done and over with since we're already pretty mad that day (after being rebooked thrice). Install was scheduled for Thurs morning and no one came. It turned out that while Enable had booked us in the contractor didn't have a booking on their end. Not an excuse not to follow protocol though.

 

Argh, now I'm pissed. :/

 

 

 

@Jase2985 Internet works but I'm worried about the fibre cable sticking out.


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  # 1703576 15-Jan-2017 15:46
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That PDF only mentions the ITP once, and it's in the SDU (single dwelling) section. Is it really a requirement for an MDU installation?




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  # 1703583 15-Jan-2017 15:57
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 @Behodar The MDU in the PDF looks like it's for buildings? 1 central distribution point for each building...

 

While our complex is classified as MDU (townhouse) we do have individual ETPs for each unit, exactly as what pictured as SDU in the PDF.


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  # 1703584 15-Jan-2017 15:59
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I don't see the point of adding another splice . Perhaps for sake of moving the ONT but realistically when is that going to happen. But that incoming fibre cable does need some better management/fixing to avoid being squashed. I would just be throwing a couple of zip ties around the base close-ish to there it connects to the ONT. Then see what you can do about managing the slack a bit better.


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  # 1703588 15-Jan-2017 16:36
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Behodar:

 

That PDF only mentions the ITP once, and it's in the SDU (single dwelling) section. Is it really a requirement for an MDU installation?

 

 

 

 

Yeah i can find the right pdf in the public domain to make reference to in this instance.

 

Secondly i install fiber for enable, so i know the standards they have.





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  # 1703590 15-Jan-2017 16:49
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@chevrolux then the installation standards is pointless then if not to be followed? Anyway would you think they'd blow fibre in again? Is that what you meant by adding another splice?

 

The PDF clearly mentions to prevent damage to the conduit a standard electrical back box is to be installed. I assume this is the ITP because there are no other boxes in the figure..


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  # 1703593 15-Jan-2017 16:56
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 in the Premises (SDU) Installation Standard (Not available in the public Domain) there is no mention of any situation that allows for no itp.

 

"ITP terminates the fiber and connects to the ONT/ONU" exert from "Premises (SDU) Installation Standard"





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  # 1703616 15-Jan-2017 17:09
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allune:

 

@chevrolux then the installation standards is pointless then if not to be followed? Anyway would you think they'd blow fibre in again? Is that what you meant by adding another splice?

 

The PDF clearly mentions to prevent damage to the conduit a standard electrical back box is to be installed. I assume this is the ITP because there are no other boxes in the figure..

 

 

I'm all for installation standards. But I am happy to point out when one is pointless.

 

And no I didn't mean that by 'adding another splice'. That 'ITP' box is just going to be a splice or connector holder. There is zero point in adding another splice which adds more loss and therefore another place for something to go wrong. And then you add another connector in to which is yet even more loss and another point for something to go wrong.

 

As for 'preventing damage'. If that incoming fibre cable was just simply secured a bit better in that frame then it isn't going to get damaged. I guess this is one of the issues with Enables (as well as UFF and Northpower) choice of ONT - not having the same fibre management capabilities as the Chorus one means they need there installers to take further steps to ensure the fibre is secured.


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  # 1703729 15-Jan-2017 20:06
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I probably wouldn't worry about it, and would just look at how you can position or protect the fibre so it doesn't get knocked while you're working in the enclosure.

 

There are a lot of Chorus UFB installs out there that are probably at much more risk of damage than yours. Many of them are just mounted in living areas behind TVs etc, and they have a loop of fibre that does a hairpin hanging out the base - example below. In comparison, yours is in a metal box, where presumably you are going to be the only one working, and will be mindful of the fibre.

 

My fibre install is actually missing the ETP, which I would guess isn't in line with the installation standards. But, it allows for a neater install and the Internet connection works just the same, so it's no cause for complaint from my perspective.

 


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