crackrdbycracku: Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.

NZtechfreak:

crackrdbycracku: Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.

Man, does this point ever get a lot of play in this thread, despite that the presence of the Moto G largely invalidates it.

nathan: There's a reason why phones go through network testing before they are sold here

NZtechfreak:

crackrdbycracku: Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.

Man, does this point ever get a lot of play in this thread, despite that the presence of the Moto G largely invalidates it.

Too bad the New Zealand pricing is not more commensurate with the 520 pricing here, as it is overseas.

nathan: Import them yourself, resell, profit?

nathan: To be sure the device won't cause problems on the network or to other devices, cell handoff, dropped calls etc etc

lyonrouge:

nathan: To be sure the device won't cause problems on the network or to other devices, cell handoff, dropped calls etc etc

Is this to reduce the service calls and other warranty items? I'm curious as a few of my handsets are "operator tested" and have given me grief, including one which is with the operator currently. I suspect they do more than test them, it appears (in context to this thread) that they add hacks on top (hence different build numbers in a Nokia context)?

Hammerer: I think you misread Abo's post. He didn't say that Android 'has failed absolutely'. He said that waiting for carriers/manufacturer to provide timely updates 'is proven to fail absolutely'.

freitasm: Waiting for carriers for ALL updates is a fail. There are things that absolutely don't need the operator's input - adding a new provider for People Hub for example. Or adding a new notification system. These are the kind of things that shouldn't have anything to do with the operator. Radio stack, messaging, phone signaling yes, this should be approved but if they were smarter they would have these in different packages.

nathan: This is a lot easier said than done. Carriers like to control what goes on their network.

lyonrouge: This sub-topic started from why are they involved with update releases, which lead to "Carriers like to control what goes on their network", which lead to "Testing for network compatibility is not testing the overall reliability and build quality of a device", making my deduction being

"they are involved to protect their network and not a consumer value add (i.e. they don't care if the device is reliable)?"

NZtechfreak:

crackrdbycracku: Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.

Man, does this point ever get a lot of play in this thread, despite that the presence of the Moto G largely invalidates it.

Too bad the New Zealand pricing is not more commensurate with the 520 pricing here, as it is overseas.

paulmilbank:

NZtechfreak:

crackrdbycracku: Where Windows Phone is making the most sales is the low end. High end Android is great, low end not so much.

The Lumia 520 is making a name for itself as the best 'it just works' option at the low end.

Man, does this point ever get a lot of play in this thread, despite that the presence of the Moto G largely invalidates it.

Too bad the New Zealand pricing is not more commensurate with the 520 pricing here, as it is overseas.

Soon as I saw that comment, I knew you would be around to say that the Moto G is better 

nathan: To be sure the device won't cause problems on the network or to other devices, cell handoff, dropped calls etc etc

lyonrouge: I'm not entirely sure that is true, I'm confident that they like to control the banding and perhaps default shortcuts, but what comes onto their network they are indifferent too, especially when you consider roaming, which is a giant cash cow and they are completely indifferent to the handsets accessing their network as long as it's generating revenue.