New House Build. Help/Suggestions please(HVAC, Cinema, Electrics, Cladding, Timber etc)

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Ultimate Geek

#1351852 26-Jul-2015 10:12

i can gaurantee youll blow that earthworks allowance . id double the 9K figure. i doubt that theyd only scrape 150mm to get to good firm ground and on that small site it will need to be taken away.

shop around for appliances too. go check the actual models. I'm not a huge fan of F+P.

EDIT: oh and also check that distance from oven to bench of 1.275m in Tauranga theres a minimum distance of (1.4? meters) to allow a "safe" distance when the oven door is opened. we had to ammend our kitchen plan to get to this distance. Not sure what your council spec is but i think it was a national building code change in the last year or so.

Nikoftime

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Master Geek

#1351866 26-Jul-2015 11:04

So your total pc allowance for windows is neary $50k??
Have you got any firm quotes? I would seriously consider eurostyle (multi-point locking). They will be far superior to thermally broken ali windows. If there are any windows that dont need to be opened then making them fixed pane will keep the cost of eurostyle windows to a min. Also remove any windows that dont provide a usefull function...I believe most kiwi houses are overglazed causing excessive heat loss and sometimes overheating problems.

billgates

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#1351874 26-Jul-2015 11:27

Did get a firm quote from Rylock for their Pacific Thermal Suite with argon gas, low-e, thermally broken stuff which was $60k. The quote took forever to be prepared and did not had the right discounts applied. Will be getting it requoted and a whole lot other confirmed quotes once I have the working drawings which are now under way and will take 6 weeks to complete.

I know that uPVC is cheaper than Aluminum and provides better R rating too but it does not looks that great to me and it does not lasts as long as Aluminum framing. uPVC is more prone to retract in heat than Aluminum.

Do whatever you want to do man.

Dunnersfella

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#1351891 26-Jul-2015 12:05

A little late here...
But having owned a Palmco rangehood... just don't.
They are the bottom of the range and far out-classed by most others on the market. Loud, poor performance and built to a price... that its fair to say, isn't particularly high.
It is typically spec'd as it looks okay and the brand logo isn't visible.
The F&P equivalent should be fine, but it will most likely be a re-branded Robinhood. Try for a Bosch or Schweigen if you have an open plan kitchen and want to reduce noise levels to the point where you can easily converse with one-another.

The F&P dishwashers are behind on spec too IMHO. The oven is brilliant, the gas cooktop is a gas cooktop (make sure you like the layout before committing).
IHMO.

SurvivorBoy

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#1352452 27-Jul-2015 11:59

On your queries on insulation, Earthwool(r) glasswool from Knauf Insulation is great value for money, and no it won't sag or settle over time. It carries a 50 year warranty, and is made by one of the world's largest insulation manufacturers. It also offers better value for money than polyester. Jennian will most likely try and steer you towards Pink batts, however you can write this out of the contract if you get in early. With the midfloor suggest filling the void completely with the closest available ceiling product. For your acoustic walls suggest Earthwool glasswool R2.6 Acoustic as a premium option, although just putting in a standard 2.2 wall will also help - but for the media room suggest adding two layers of plasterboard to one or both sides also. The combination of density and filling the void both help.

SurvivorBoy

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Wannabe Geek

#1352455 27-Jul-2015 12:00

Have a look at idealhouse.org to see a skillion roof section made from I Beams spaced at 900mm centres, and using R5.2 insulation. This is a Zero Energy show-home on display in Beachlands, Auckland.

jurgensp99

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Master Geek

#1352543 27-Jul-2015 13:51

Out of interest what are the lights and dimmers you intend to get from Aus? and why?
Most any of it is available locally.

Plus consider that the dimmer has to mount in the wall plates so you may be better off staying with one brand.

As for down lights leaking heat.
This is true for older halogen/incandescent based down lights where their was a physical gap between the lamp and the housing.
Plus regulation stated that the ceiling insulation had to be a certain distance from the fittings to prevent fires because they get so hot. MR16 operates at 200'C so you'd end up with a 400mm dia area around each light with no insulation.

The modern sealed LED fitting have no air gap at all plus they are "IC" rated meaning it allows for abutted and covered insulation.

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mattwnz

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#1352554 27-Jul-2015 14:04

SurvivorBoy: On your queries on insulation, Earthwool(r) glasswool from Knauf Insulation is great value for money, and no it won't sag or settle over time. It carries a 50 year warranty, and is made by one of the world's largest insulation manufacturers. It also offers better value for money than polyester. Jennian will most likely try and steer you towards Pink batts, however you can write this out of the contract if you get in early. With the midfloor suggest filling the void completely with the closest available ceiling product. For your acoustic walls suggest Earthwool glasswool R2.6 Acoustic as a premium option, although just putting in a standard 2.2 wall will also help - but for the media room suggest adding two layers of plasterboard to one or both sides also. The combination of density and filling the void both help.

I don't now much about earth wool, but insulation like bradford gold is supposed to be safer than older traditional fibre glass insulation, in that the fibre are supposed to be dissolve or get expelled from the body if you breath it in. Is Earthwool the same? . Personally I like natural wool if installing it myself, such as teralana, but it is more pricey and you can't use it to insulate over IC downlights.

mattwnz

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#1352555 27-Jul-2015 14:05

Dunnersfella: A little late here...
But having owned a Palmco rangehood... just don't.
They are the bottom of the range and far out-classed by most others on the market. Loud, poor performance and built to a price... that its fair to say, isn't particularly high.
It is typically spec'd as it looks okay and the brand logo isn't visible.
The F&P equivalent should be fine, but it will most likely be a re-branded Robinhood. Try for a Bosch or Schweigen if you have an open plan kitchen and want to reduce noise levels to the point where you can easily converse with one-another.

The F&P dishwashers are behind on spec too IMHO. The oven is brilliant, the gas cooktop is a gas cooktop (make sure you like the layout before committing).
IHMO.

Asko aren't bad either, I find their diskwashers are better than bosch, having owned both. Miele if you want top of the range and something that will last and last.

Fred99

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#1352588 27-Jul-2015 14:41

mattwnz:
SurvivorBoy: On your queries on insulation, Earthwool(r) glasswool from Knauf Insulation is great value for money, and no it won't sag or settle over time. It carries a 50 year warranty, and is made by one of the world's largest insulation manufacturers. It also offers better value for money than polyester. Jennian will most likely try and steer you towards Pink batts, however you can write this out of the contract if you get in early. With the midfloor suggest filling the void completely with the closest available ceiling product. For your acoustic walls suggest Earthwool glasswool R2.6 Acoustic as a premium option, although just putting in a standard 2.2 wall will also help - but for the media room suggest adding two layers of plasterboard to one or both sides also. The combination of density and filling the void both help.

I don't now much about earth wool, but insulation like bradford gold is supposed to be safer than older traditional fibre glass insulation, in that the fibre are supposed to be dissolve or get expelled from the body if you breath it in. Is Earthwool the same? . Personally I like natural wool if installing it myself, such as teralana, but it is more pricey and you can't use it to insulate over IC downlights.

Earthwool (Knauf) is "biosoluble" and relatively non-irritant / safe to handle.

mattwnz

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#1352603 27-Jul-2015 14:57

Fred99:
mattwnz:
SurvivorBoy: On your queries on insulation, Earthwool(r) glasswool from Knauf Insulation is great value for money, and no it won't sag or settle over time. It carries a 50 year warranty, and is made by one of the world's largest insulation manufacturers. It also offers better value for money than polyester. Jennian will most likely try and steer you towards Pink batts, however you can write this out of the contract if you get in early. With the midfloor suggest filling the void completely with the closest available ceiling product. For your acoustic walls suggest Earthwool glasswool R2.6 Acoustic as a premium option, although just putting in a standard 2.2 wall will also help - but for the media room suggest adding two layers of plasterboard to one or both sides also. The combination of density and filling the void both help.

I don't now much about earth wool, but insulation like bradford gold is supposed to be safer than older traditional fibre glass insulation, in that the fibre are supposed to be dissolve or get expelled from the body if you breath it in. Is Earthwool the same? . Personally I like natural wool if installing it myself, such as teralana, but it is more pricey and you can't use it to insulate over IC downlights.

Earthwool (Knauf) is "biosoluble" and relatively non-irritant / safe to handle.

If that is the case, then it probably just comes down to price and R values/thickness. I speicified bradford gold on a project, as it had better R values for ceilings, but the builders said it was more expensive and went with pink batts. So it seems that builders like pink batts, which I pressume is based on margins.

Fred99

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#1352633 27-Jul-2015 15:20

mattwnz:
Fred99:
mattwnz:
SurvivorBoy: On your queries on insulation, Earthwool(r) glasswool from Knauf Insulation is great value for money, and no it won't sag or settle over time. It carries a 50 year warranty, and is made by one of the world's largest insulation manufacturers. It also offers better value for money than polyester. Jennian will most likely try and steer you towards Pink batts, however you can write this out of the contract if you get in early. With the midfloor suggest filling the void completely with the closest available ceiling product. For your acoustic walls suggest Earthwool glasswool R2.6 Acoustic as a premium option, although just putting in a standard 2.2 wall will also help - but for the media room suggest adding two layers of plasterboard to one or both sides also. The combination of density and filling the void both help.

I don't now much about earth wool, but insulation like bradford gold is supposed to be safer than older traditional fibre glass insulation, in that the fibre are supposed to be dissolve or get expelled from the body if you breath it in. Is Earthwool the same? . Personally I like natural wool if installing it myself, such as teralana, but it is more pricey and you can't use it to insulate over IC downlights.

Earthwool (Knauf) is "biosoluble" and relatively non-irritant / safe to handle.

If that is the case, then it probably just comes down to price and R values/thickness. I speicified bradford gold on a project, as it had better R values for ceilings, but the builders said it was more expensive and went with pink batts. So it seems that builders like pink batts, which I pressume is based on margins.

Probably just the deal/discount that the builder could get from suppliers that they had accounts with. Knauf probably upset some of the merchants, as they sell on-line, sometimes offering promo/discount retail deals at prices that the merchants would only offer to trade.

billgates

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#1352842 27-Jul-2015 19:40

floydie: i can gaurantee youll blow that earthworks allowance . id double the 9K figure. i doubt that theyd only scrape 150mm to get to good firm ground and on that small site it will need to be taken away.

shop around for appliances too. go check the actual models. I'm not a huge fan of F+P.

EDIT: oh and also check that distance from oven to bench of 1.275m in Tauranga theres a minimum distance of (1.4? meters) to allow a "safe" distance when the oven door is opened. we had to ammend our kitchen plan to get to this distance. Not sure what your council spec is but i think it was a national building code change in the last year or so.

Top soil removal is up to 150mm but excavation allowance is up to 300mm which will be plenty with MaxRaft in place. F&P is pretty good. I have a $5000 credit for F&P so I am going with top of the range cooktop and oven. Dishwasher we don't use at all but putting a medium priced one from F&P. Will switch to Bosch or F&P rangehood.

Do whatever you want to do man.

billgates

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#1352844 27-Jul-2015 19:42

jurgensp99: Out of interest what are the lights and dimmers you intend to get from Aus? and why?
Most any of it is available locally.

Plus consider that the dimmer has to mount in the wall plates so you may be better off staying with one brand.

As for down lights leaking heat.
This is true for older halogen/incandescent based down lights where their was a physical gap between the lamp and the housing.
Plus regulation stated that the ceiling insulation had to be a certain distance from the fittings to prevent fires because they get so hot. MR16 operates at 200'C so you'd end up with a 400mm dia area around each light with no insulation.

The modern sealed LED fitting have no air gap at all plus they are "IC" rated meaning it allows for abutted and covered insulation.

With strict SDOC requirement from pretty much all electricians, I am going to have to now source the IC rated LED's from here. Need to lookout for a good sale. What's better 240V or 12V? I like 240V in the sense that only the bulb will need to be replaced. There is a chance that 12V driver can eventually just die?

Do whatever you want to do man.

billgates

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#1352848 27-Jul-2015 19:43

SurvivorBoy: On your queries on insulation, Earthwool(r) glasswool from Knauf Insulation is great value for money, and no it won't sag or settle over time. It carries a 50 year warranty, and is made by one of the world's largest insulation manufacturers. It also offers better value for money than polyester. Jennian will most likely try and steer you towards Pink batts, however you can write this out of the contract if you get in early. With the midfloor suggest filling the void completely with the closest available ceiling product. For your acoustic walls suggest Earthwool glasswool R2.6 Acoustic as a premium option, although just putting in a standard 2.2 wall will also help - but for the media room suggest adding two layers of plasterboard to one or both sides also. The combination of density and filling the void both help.

I am going with Knauf. Got a quote from ecoinsulation in Hamilton that offers Knauf install service. Is $3 a square meter good or bad install price?

Do whatever you want to do man.

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