Not sure if Id use Singapore and Taiwan as examples given the latest news

Im not aware we've been told we've beaten Covid

cshwone:

 

The card I was given included dates, name of vaccine and batch numbers for both doses. The problem with the current card is that it could easily be forged. But at least the data is there to allow authenticated transfer to a digital platform.

 

The consequences of forging a C-19 vaccination certificate aren't the same as if you needed yellow fever vaccine certificate to get a visa to visit somewhere in Africa etc.  You'd need some way to prevent forgery even if some digital platform was used.

Fred99:

 

Check out the accounts of people posting misinformation, many seem to be trolling accounts with no posts, no "friends" - they've set up multiple anonymous or faked name accounts.  It's "brigading", a few nutters could get together to give the impression that there are far more nutters - that they are part of a large movement of people "genuinely concerned".  The owners of the page are too slow keeping up. 

 

Yeah there appears to be a whole lot of american types with anti US govt propoganda on their page or rubbish shared stuff that should be minding their own business, thats for sure. But also a scary number of actual kiwis doing some copy/paste action with legit family photos on the far north farms etc

Not an explosion just yet, as half are already known related. But uh-oh.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-community-cases-linked-cases-b1617-variant-14820456 

sbiddle:

 

tdgeek:

 

From here, some posters have stated that our response is poor, look at Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong. Now many of these excellent nations are in strife, while our stadiums are full of fans. 

 

 

Out stadiums may be full but Singapore has had no major Covid cases for months either and had been regarded as the  best Covid response in the worl. Now they're dealing with a rapidly changing environment and as on last night looking to fundamentally change their vaccine rollout to speed it up.

 

We think we beat Covid because our PM told us we had. So did Singapore and Taiwan (but they weren't quite so cocky about it). Anybody who isn't prepared for another lockdown of some sort in NZ is an idiot - and we know from our level of cockiness that most people aren't.

 

Spoke too soon mate - 38 new community COVID-19 cases in Singapore, highest in more than a year - CNA (channelnewsasia.com) . You might also like to consider who it was that had the #1 response (Bloomberg) before Singapore pipped that post on the basis of their vaccine rollout (I'll give you a hint, it was New Zealand).

I don't remember being told we'd beat Covid, but I'll admit to not listening to everything the PM says. Totally agree cocky people who aren't prepared for further lockdowns/other responses are idiots (but that's just people for you).

sbiddle:

 

The simple reality is out borders have to open and yes, it will be a huge political issue. How it's handled and the ability to handle subsequent cases could potentially even be the undoing of the Government.

Just as with the AU and Cooks bubbles, there will come a time. I agree we can't stay closed forever and I think it's a very complex situation that will need to be carefully approached - there is a massive proportion of New Zealanders who would be quite happy to see the borders stay shut. Anecdotal of course, but I can point to two family members, a colleague at work, and a friend of this mindset.

sbiddle:

 

I've just spent the weekend on the West Coast and many people here are simply in despair.

 

Tourism operators? 

Geektastic: I’ve just been invited to book in for my priority flu jab this coming Friday.

You have to leave two weeks between the flu jab and the Covid one. What’s the betting I get asked to go for my Group 3 Covid jab in that two week period?!

Is there a medical reason to leave 2 weeks between them?   I know that from a department of health perspective they want vaccinations to be spaced apart so that any adverse reactions can be attributed to a particular vaccine, if you had two at once you wouldn't know which one caused it.

But are there medical reasons?    My mum got a bunch of vaccines a few years ago for her overseas holiday, smashed a whole bunch into her at once.

Geektastic: I’ve just been invited to book in for my priority flu jab this coming Friday.

You have to leave two weeks between the flu jab and the Covid one. What’s the betting I get asked to go for my Group 3 Covid jab in that two week period?!

You are pretty hard to please, aren't you? Even when you get something you want, you manage to turn it into something negative. And it hasn't even happened yet!

duckDecoy:

 

Geektastic: I’ve just been invited to book in for my priority flu jab this coming Friday.

You have to leave two weeks between the flu jab and the Covid one. What’s the betting I get asked to go for my Group 3 Covid jab in that two week period?!

 

Is there a medical reason to leave 2 weeks between them?   I know that from a department of health perspective they want vaccinations to be spaced apart so that any adverse reactions can be attributed to a particular vaccine, if you had two at once you wouldn't know which one caused it.

 

But are there medical reasons?    My mum got a bunch of vaccines a few years ago for her overseas holiday, smashed a whole bunch into her at once.

 

yes there are a lot of different vaccinations you shouldnt have within x days of the covid vaccination. and its all medical reasoning. you would have to look that up though.

Jase2985:

 

yes there are a lot of different vaccinations you shouldnt have within x days of the covid vaccination. and its all medical reasoning. you would have to look that up though.

 

I haven't found anything yet, at least not on our ministry websites.  So far found:

Having a gap between 2 different vaccinations makes it easier to work out which vaccine may be responsible for any side effects

and

There’s no evidence that the 2 vaccinations interact with each other, this is a precautionary recommendation that allows for proper safety and monitoring for both vaccines. [on an Aussie ministry site, not ours]

Not saying there isn't any medical reason, but I haven't found any yet. 

Geektastic: I’ve just been invited to book in for my priority flu jab this coming Friday.

You have to leave two weeks between the flu jab and the Covid one. What’s the betting I get asked to go for my Group 3 Covid jab in that two week period?!

Dont hold your breath, I am in Group 2 and still waiting 😀

Depending on what part of country you are in the procedure for vaccination appointments might be different.
If you are invited to contact them for an appointment time then that gives you chance to manage which week you get the Pfizer.

Each DHB has a link here.

https://covid19.govt.nz/health-and-wellbeing/covid-19-vaccines/how-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccination/booking-your-vaccination-appointments/vaccine-rollout-information-by-dhb/

I did see that Auckland DHB one says while their invite gives you a time/date, there is a system to change it for example.

@Geektastic

http://www.rph.org.nz/public-health-topics/vaccinate-greater-wellington/getting-vaccinated/

Requirement for no more than 72hrs prior and wave a magic 'negative' card infront of both the bording flight, AND border control transiting Qatar (they scrapped transiting PCR on spot requirements). Yet still...

The five new cases in MIQ were all recent returnees from India who flew to New Zealand via Qatar. All the returnees tested positive on day one routine testing, while two cases tested positive on their day zero routine tests. The cases flew into New Zealand on Friday, May 14, and Saturday, May 15.

Surely, you can't get a negative test, then be infected at an airport leaving and suddenly get enough viral load to be picked up here within the flight time. Or your body would already be showing how hard it's being hammered  working with a takeover that sudden? 

Oblivian:

 

Requirement for no more than 72hrs prior and wave a magic 'negative' card infront of both the bording flight, AND border control transiting Qatar (they scrapped transiting PCR on spot requirements). Yet still...

 

The five new cases in MIQ were all recent returnees from India who flew to New Zealand via Qatar. All the returnees tested positive on day one routine testing, while two cases tested positive on their day zero routine tests. The cases flew into New Zealand on Friday, May 14, and Saturday, May 15.

 

Surely, you can't get a negative test, then be infected at an airport leaving and suddenly get enough viral load to be picked up here within the flight time. Or your body would already be showing how hard it's being hammered  working with a takeover that sudden? 

 

Motivation for a iron clad process may be lacking when you are passing passengers over to somewhere else, and its not your problem.
Airport may also benefit if its easier to transit. 
Let alone the issues of isolating and treating foreigners you can otherwise pass onto the next location to deal with.

Cambodia had recent outbreak due to tourists coming through Dubai who then bribed their way out of isolation.

Theoretically they would have been a test an fly from that location too.