2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

Forums › Health and fitness › 2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

1 | ... | 1741 | 1742 | 1743 | 1744 | 1745 | 1746 | 1747 | 1748 | 1749 | 1750 | 1751 | ... | 2423

5063 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#2780570 19-Sep-2021 11:21

Personally it's a sign from the govt that this can't be eliminated unless we lock down for months on end.

It's to buy time so more people can get the jab before cases inevitably rise.

Under level 3 cases will rise if we still haven't eliminated it and it doesn't seem we can even by next Tues.

GV27

5897 posts

Uber Geek

#2780575 19-Sep-2021 11:35

I genuinely don't know what they're going to do. Did we get a number for exposure events or how many of yesterday's cases were infectious in the community? Just because they are household contacts does not mean they were isolating correctly (or able to).

Scott3

3970 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2780576 19-Sep-2021 11:36

Fred99:

It's circulating in a community often with large multigenerational family units, some with poor literacy skills and probably poor understanding and/or a general mistrust of how the health system works.

The message is supposed to be that if you're sick - then phone healthline, get tested and self-isolate until you get results. But now 7 (?) infected people randomly turning up at Middlemore hospital, some symptomatic with covid, some with other issues who by coincidence tested positive. Self isolating in a house with many people when there's compelling evidence that with Delta the whole household can be infected before the first person gets symptoms. Then in those households - plenty of essential workers who can't avoid contact with others.

Same or similar circumstances when outbreaks appeared in Melbourne and Sydney and reached communities in high-density housing areas. It's not that people deliberately defy containment measures or knowingly do anything wrong and avoidable. Getting the message through as to how transmission occurs and what you need to do is all good and well, but then the reality that even when the message does get through it's incredibly hard to avoid situations that allow transmission, be that common areas in multi-unit dwellings there, or just large households in detached houses here.

And the reason why authorities may be reluctant to fully disclose who those communities are can be seen on Facebook or "reader comments" or other forums where the the worst of all - a cancerous blight for mankind - proliferates. The result of that "blame" will make everything much worse, even hindering the challenge of trying to get this outbreak nailed.

Yes.

We haven't been given much information, but it seems to have remarkable parallels with what happened in NSW months ago.

Virus has found it's way into locations with large, often multi generational households living in fairly cramped conditions. And importantly often have multiple essential workers in them.

I remember the mayors? of two sydney suburbs having a tiff over it. The leader of the rich area, was blaming the poor area for breaking rules etc. The leader of the poor area hit back to say that accusation was unfounded, and where do they think the essential workers who collect the trash and stack the supermarket shelves in the rich suburbs live.

I don't have any data, but suspect that things like drug dealers illegally operating in level 4 are a minor issue compared to legitimate workers.

It was a huge error in our vaccine roll out, to not add essential workers at Level 4 into vaccination group 3 when we started to see what was happening in NSW. Before we opened to group 4 would have been the perfect time, and that was roughly a month before our lock-down. Could have had the majority of our essential workers with their second dose by now if we had of done that.

On2or3wheels

195 posts

Master Geek

#2780584 19-Sep-2021 12:18

Fred99:

I do. What possible difference should it make to how you or I behave WRT controlling the outbreak?

Seems to me to be no upside to making it a front page public issue - only downsides.

How do we know if the public health unit/MOH is doing a good enough job over this if the media don't ask for details. We've certainly seen them drop the ball many times.

IF it is spreading at essential businesses then we need to know because it may mean we personally need to take more care to protect ourselves, like with better masks or something.

IF it is people breaking the rules that is causing the long tale, that would make a big difference to our understanding of whether you can beat delta. I.e. do the level 4 rules not work due to the speed of spread, or is it only through people not following level 4.

heavenlywild

5063 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#2780598 19-Sep-2021 13:08

24 cases today.

That's it, we won't eliminate this even in level 4. Welcome to the Delta reality team.

Get the jab.

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2780600 19-Sep-2021 13:21

They seem to be clinging onto household cases as the good news. Households actually go to the supermarket, dairies, gas stations.

I wonder how many that are fully vaccinated put a symptom down to a cold? As off course that are "protected" (which they aren't from getting infected and can transmit it)

Here we go, mystery cases. We want to hear how many were infectious in the community.

heavenlywild

5063 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#2780601 19-Sep-2021 13:24

Yep, a 180 degree change in terms of approach.

They are building up to tomorrow's decision to help justify Auckland going to level 3.

"Under control" is BS, sorry, that's how I feel.

Tell us the truth. Stop sugar coating everything.

Sharesies

Trade NZ and US shares and funds with Sharesies (affiliate link).

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2780602 19-Sep-2021 13:25

Ok, so the media asked my question.We want to hear how many were infectious in the community.. Apparently supermarkets etc don't cause cases due to the masks and protocols. Hmm,ok.

GV27

5897 posts

Uber Geek

#2780603 19-Sep-2021 13:31

tdgeek:

Ok, so the media asked my question.We want to hear how many were infectious in the community.. Apparently supermarkets etc don't cause cases due to the masks and protocols. Hmm,ok.

Yea. I heard that too.

I think we're going to be told L3 but L4 could happen at any point; by which they mean "you've got three, maybe four weeks of trading to shore up your balance sheets and refinance anything in your business that could cause you a headache, because L4 is going to happen again and may have to be even more intense than the last one".

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2780604 19-Sep-2021 13:32

heavenlywild: Yep, a 180 degree change in terms of approach.

They are building up to tomorrow's decision to help justify Auckland going to level 3.

"Under control" is BS, sorry, that's how I feel.

Tell us the truth. Stop sugar coating everything.

Yep. Its conservatively upbeat. I get we can get more cases when the epicentre in Auckland would tend to have large families, which they often state. Yep. But they aren't dropping, they are at worst, stable. Now, if we were told that families intermingled and thats an ongoing problem, that would explain the numbers not dropping, and be a family management issue rather than a potential non contained outbreak issue. That could make Level 3 acceptable right now. But as usual, we get a short summary, the rest is mainly historical stuff, which IMO isn't the key issue

PM said they also take into account how Aucklanders are managing lockdown.

Oblivian

7300 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

#2780605 19-Sep-2021 13:33

Well there we go. Confirmed in QnA

No known cases as a result of supermarkets (or most known lvl4 essential services). Despite being marked as location of interest. Either workplace, or family groups.

What's that if it isn't saying what we have suspected.

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2780608 19-Sep-2021 13:40

GV27:

tdgeek:

Ok, so the media asked my question.We want to hear how many were infectious in the community.. Apparently supermarkets etc don't cause cases due to the masks and protocols. Hmm,ok.

Yea. I heard that too.

I think we're going to be told L3 but L4 could happen at any point; by which they mean "you've got three, maybe four weeks of trading to shore up your balance sheets and refinance anything in your business that could cause you a headache, because L4 is going to happen again and may have to be even more intense than the last one".

I think the media who asked said 28 recent cases. We really need to know the demographic and possible reasons why one or more demographics are causing the cases, even if they are household. But thats delicate and and any demographic(s) mentioned may be targeted, which is sad. The more I think on that point, the more it seems to align with the upbeatness that we are seeing, in which case L3 may well be ok.

If you do go to L3, and based on what I posted just now, it may only need the odd L3 upgrade, nuanced to the suburbs of interest or any weaker locations/LOI's. I get the feeling that large swathes of Auckland are probably clean or really low risk.

Oblivian

7300 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

#2780609 19-Sep-2021 13:45

if we look at the differences this year to last. lvl3 vs lvl4 is the same services, plus some additional takeaway/pickup of food and other services (still no instore customers and so on) right?

The pages were all edited early on to remove the '2 family groups can join bubbles' flaw that allowed more inter mingling since it was clearly a 'thing' in the north. And enforce you should still remain small.

As long as these 'in the workplace' ones are tightened up. It is effectively more supermarkets.

it WILL rely on people not being dicks. But overall, it should be the same circumstances the past week has been.

ezbee

2405 posts

Uber Geek

#2780611 19-Sep-2021 13:45

Mobile COVID-19 test providers say 'we need more' to close service inequity for Māori, Pasifika
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/09/mobile-covid-19-test-providers-say-we-need-more-to-close-service-inequity-for-m-ori-pasifika.html

""
"So this is a cabin, campground, and I'm all on my own. I've got no vehicle at all," he told Newshub.

Thompson's son tested positive for the virus - but that's not the only anguish he's confronting. He recently lost his wife of 33 years.

"Get tested and get your vaccinations," he told Newshub.

"The more security for your family, the more stress it takes off here [pointing to his heart]. In my situation, my wife passed away on September 2."

But due to his son's positive result, he's isolating. He can't grieve with those he loves, which he said was devastating.
""

The video shows the stoic dignity of this man who has had great loss, and not much vs the self-entitlement of some loud complainers.

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2780612 19-Sep-2021 13:46

Oblivian:

Well there we go. Confirmed in QnA

No known cases as a result of supermarkets (or most known lvl4 essential services). Despite being marked as location of interest. Either workplace, or family groups.

What's that if it isn't saying what we have suspected.

Inter family mingling is quite a possibility. This was the issue in Fiji.

Workplaces. Id like to know the number of active workplaces in AKL, and the number that spawned cases. It might well be that some workplaces had lax protocols, maybe some are just not suitable for L4, or need improvements. Id say that few workplaces are causing problems, and most work as well as the apparently safe supermarkets. Analogy is a non ideal MIQ hotel that can leak.

Id really rather be dissecting the data, than speculating on drip fed data we are getting. Yes, I can see that can be delicate.

1 | ... | 1741 | 1742 | 1743 | 1744 | 1745 | 1746 | 1747 | 1748 | 1749 | 1750 | 1751 | ... | 2423