2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2490203 23-May-2020 21:25

frankv:

I don't know that testing rates are all that relevant when you're in uncontrolled growth.

I dunno. An (un)wise man once indicated growth can stop easy "If we didn't do any testing, we would have very few cases".

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#2490303 23-May-2020 23:07

People are allowed to throw parties now? Someone in our neighbourhood has a lot of people shouting and and loud music.

I guess if they have 10 people it is allowed?

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#2490318 24-May-2020 00:28

Fred99:

Plenty of people would have had tickets booked and paid for before it became apparent to most that there really was a problem, no chance of refund, and an industry telling them not to worry - the risk is low, "it'll all be OK". Late Feb - early March before the proverbial really hit the fan - it may seem like forever but that was only 10 weeks ago.

I am not sure what the moral significance of having booked tickets before **** hit the fan is. Again I emphasise that I am not making an overall view of these people's collective situations but rather taking a view on those who chose to travel by late February and beyond or doing nothing to return to NZ by that point when every intelligent being with more than two brain cells ought to know that there was a worldwide pandemic. There's a point in life where people need to just realise lost money is just that. Yes, some of these people paid lots of money for their plane tickets of whatever. So did lots of other people and my wife and I also lost some non-recoverable costs from abandoning our travel plans. It's just selfish and stupid to travel/knowingly continue to travel in those circumstances.

One example of a case in that article that I had no sympathy for: the muppet couple who went on a 10 day trip to Cambodia of all places in MARCH. Great idea to mix a third world totalitarian regime with a dose of a world wide pandemic, chums. Another example: the woman who went back home to Brazil in February and "was due to return" presumably in March. I don't know? Maybe cut short your trip.

Again, there will be edge cases where people deserve sympathy or even exemptions. But I for one am extremely glad that our authorities are prioritising the well-being of the millions of citizens, permanent residents, and those here on visitor and other visas who sacrificed enormously over the last couple of months. This IMO further shows that the implied claims of discrimination by a lot of those muppets are horse manure. If it means these people's lives here are for all practical purposes finished, I for one couldn't care less.

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#2490373 24-May-2020 09:24

Good news parody from the USA, from "Real Time with Bill Maher "

In Tallahassee Florida, it's been 46 days without someone on bath salts trying to f__k an alligator

In New Orleans (party city), they gone 24 days without a topless chick falling off a balcony.

In Mississippi (deep south), it has been 28 days without someone hooking up at their family reunion.

In Seattle (northwest hip), it has been 45 days since someone in a Prius ran over someone on a scooter.

On Fire Island (popular resort for gay New Yorkers), it has been 16 days without someone in an emergency room saying "I must have sat on it"

In Venice California (Los Angeles), it has been 52 days without a fight between a deadbeat with a lizard and a deadbeat with a parrot.

In Salt Lake City, it has been 61 days since a Mormon got his necktie caught in a bicycle. (Note Utah's anti-polygamy laws which prohibit multiple cohabitation recently ruled unconstitutional)

On the Jersey Shore, it has been 60 days without a fight over what someone was looking at it.

In San Francisco (known for large transgender population), it has been 5 weeks since a child has asked "Mommy, why does that lady have a beard?"

In Oklahoma, it has been 34 days since someone tried to kill a spider with a blowtorch.

In Tampa Florida, 48 days without a junior high school kid getting blown by his teacher in a minivan.

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#2490609 24-May-2020 18:28

Sweden now has Europe's highest per-capita death rate over a rolling seven-day average period. It's lucky few other countries tried to run this high-risk experiment:

The government’s decision to avoid a strict lockdown is thought unlikely to spare the Swedish economy. Although retail and entertainment spending has not collapsed quite as dramatically as elsewhere, analysts say the country will probably not reap any long-term economic benefit.

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#2490814 25-May-2020 01:16

dejadeadnz:

There's a point in life where people need to just realise lost money is just that. Yes, some of these people paid lots of money for their plane tickets of whatever. So did lots of other people and my wife and I also lost some non-recoverable costs from abandoning our travel plans. It's just selfish and stupid to travel/knowingly continue to travel in those circumstances.

Many people have lost money in some form or other as a result of COVID. It is going to be a cost that many people will need to suck up as a fact of life with this virus. But potentially for NZ it could have been far, worse if we hadn't done what we did. Planes were the vehicle that much of the virus came into NZ, and it is frustrating to see that some overseas airlines want to go back to flying again, and trying to get as many people onto the plane as they can, while still having some physical distancing. It is ironic that over more recent years, airlines have tried to get more and more people onto planes, and some even had a form of standing seat. I think planes in the long term are going to have to totally reformat their seating arrangements, and trips are just going to end up costing more in the post COVID world. I think things have to change, even if a vaccine does come along, because this won't be the last virus like hits, and there is also the threat of biological weapons, which could be in the form of a virus like this.

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#2490815 25-May-2020 01:18

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It looks like the police are applying a practical commonsense approach to church services.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/covid-19-police-give-green-light-large-church-services-contradicting-pms-stance

Someone told me they went to a bar Friday night. Contact details taken at door, limited to 100 inside.

After that though there was no social distancing, all 100 people were going closer to others then 2 metres apart.

I thought they had to be seated? And in groups no more than 10.

The thing is that unless we start to see more cases, and ones not linked to existing clusters, then it is human nature for people to let their guard down. But as we have seen with overseas, that is when the virus pounces again. I just hope it doesn't come back to bit us, as we do still have active cases in NZ.Bars and Churches overseas have both been shown to be sources of major spread in second waves.

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#2490816 25-May-2020 01:20

mattwnz:
Many people have lost money in some form or other as a result of COVID. It is going to be a cost that many people will need to suck up as a fact of life with this virus. But potentially for NZ it could have been far, worse if we hadn't done what we did.

A neighbour of mine summed it up really well a few days ago: It's only money.

It's only money (or more accurately it's only an arbitrary value in a spreadsheet). We didn't gamble with human lives like some countries did. It's only money.

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#2490846 25-May-2020 08:42

neb: We didn't gamble with human lives like some countries did. It's only money.

I agree with the "It's only money". We save money up for a rainy day. When something big goes wrong, you spend what you have to.

But we did (and do) gamble with human lives. The only difference is that we put a higher value on human lives than some other countries. Going to L4 when we did was a gamble that paid off. Moving from L4 to L3 when we did was a gamble that paid off... no second wave. The timing of the L3 to L2 move was a gamble that appears to have paid off. Opening bars & duck shooting was a gamble... we'll see what (if anything) it cost us in a couple of weeks. And we'll gamble with a move to L1, I'm guessing in 2 weeks.

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#2490862 25-May-2020 08:50

dejadeadnz:

I am not sure what the moral significance of having booked tickets before **** hit the fan is.\

Much like Hanlon's razor.

You're attributing such decisions to malice (poor moral standards) when I suspect stupidity (or ignorance) was by far the more common reason.

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#2490864 25-May-2020 08:57

frankv:

neb: We didn't gamble with human lives like some countries did. It's only money.

I agree with the "It's only money". We save money up for a rainy day. When something big goes wrong, you spend what you have to.

But we did (and do) gamble with human lives. The only difference is that we put a higher value on human lives than some other countries. Going to L4 when we did was a gamble that paid off. Moving from L4 to L3 when we did was a gamble that paid off... no second wave. The timing of the L3 to L2 move was a gamble that appears to have paid off. Opening bars & duck shooting was a gamble... we'll see what (if anything) it cost us in a couple of weeks. And we'll gamble with a move to L1, I'm guessing in 2 weeks.

It also bought time - much has been learned here and o'seas about C-19 epidemiology since March.
I'm a little bit concerned that as we come down lockdown levels, normal "colds and sniffles" will resume and people may be inclined to ignore symptoms, so messaging about the importance of getting tested and making it as easy as possible - needs to be maintained / ramped up.

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#2490873 25-May-2020 09:22

Fred99:

Much like Hanlon's razor.

You're attributing such decisions to malice (poor moral standards) when I suspect stupidity (or ignorance) was by far the more common reason.

Those of us here on Geekzone are usually relatively well-educated and well-informed. It is easy to assume the norms we take for granted apply to all. I think many of us would be surprised just how ignorant much of the population is, especially (but not only) younger people. Many people, maybe most people these days, simply do not consume news media in any form. Many if not most of the early Level 4 violators seemed to have been genuinely unaware of the restrictions. Whatever filters down to the masses via Facebook and the like tends to arrive very distorted. Social media are not exactly reliable sources of information.

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#2490885 25-May-2020 09:30

frankv:

...

But we did (and do) gamble with human lives. The only difference is that we put a higher value on human lives than some other countries. ...

A reasonably well informed and educated gamble I'd suggest. Studied the form and weighed up the odds.

A comparatively low number of 'direct' deaths from the virus. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever be able to quantify the indirect impact on mental well-being and subsequent consequences of the lock-down. I personally know of two deaths (fortunately for me not close associates) that would arguably not have occurred if the pandemic had not triggered the requirement to lock down.

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#2490895 25-May-2020 09:46

Well the Chinese Consulate in Christchurch is as busy as normal (Pre-Covid-19) this morning.

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#2490914 25-May-2020 10:15

msukiwi:
Well the Chinese Consulate in Christchurch is as busy as normal (Pre-Covid-19) this morning.

I'm not sure if the significance of that? They may just be there for free food /buy stamps for example?

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