2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2511420 24-Jun-2020 13:07

The permanent damage has been known for quite some time.(in medical & semi-medical circles) It also leads to Ashma & other lifelong conditions.

And if there is risk of reinfection after 4-6month = like other Corona viruses.
It's a case of "every time you get it increases the likely hood it will kill you"...... (killing younger & younger every circle)

Let's hope it mutates to more benign & dies out - it's going to be very hard for some countries to control in its current form.

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#2511428 24-Jun-2020 13:31

What part of the last 3-4 months of warning to get home while they can and consequential changes to border restrictions do these people not understand. And therefore make such a big thing of it now.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12342573

You are in a multi user bubble situation. We were locked in a household bubble. We did not interact with anyone. You are at a higher risk of doing so in an enclosed space. Therefore at times need to be level 4 equivalent isolated from each other to ensure there is no staggering of infection transfer. Stop bleating to the press.

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#2511435 24-Jun-2020 13:39

One additional imported case - ex. repatriation flight from India on 18 May

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#2511442 24-Jun-2020 13:51

More hotels going into lockdown. All this is predictable with people exercising together etc, they should be in proper quarantine including from each other.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/rotoruas-ibis-hotel-in-lockdown/ar-BB15TigZ

Probably more dangerous to go into managed isolation then be in a hot spot.

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#2511446 24-Jun-2020 14:22

rugrat:

More hotels going into lockdown. All this is predictable with people exercising together etc, they should be in proper quarantine including from each other.

Yeap. I always thought they would be all in their rooms, and maybe just let out individually to exercise. Self isoaltion should be just that, each peorson isolted fro 14 days to starve the virus of new hosts. The virus will find any holes it can to exploit.

If the hotel of groups in it are treated as bubbles, then how is it much different to a resthome or cruise ship, where people are in contact with one another, but isolated from the community. 14 days does not clear the virus is a resthome or cruise ship, it can circulate in that bubble for months.

Also surprised to hear that if people refuse a test in isolation, they can be forced to stay for up to another 14 days. Free accommodation and food in a hotel, I can see some would jump at that offer. Why are people refusing the test, it just doesn't make sense, as it is a public service to protect al of NZ.

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#2511449 24-Jun-2020 14:26

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mattwnz:

The problem, and I haven't seen much mention so far in the media, is what happens when we start getting 50, or 100 positive cases a day from incoming travelers? Or even more, as higher percentages on the plane test positive. This virus appear to be now rampant in high risk countries like India. We are not talking a million new infections a week, and the rate will only increase significantly.

Could NZ cope with 20% or more of the plane being infected?

No country has even approached 20% infection rate. The highest in the world according to Worldometer is Qatar at 31,904/1M population = 3.2%. Infection rates are much lower in other countries (e.g. USA overall = 0.7%, New York = 2.1%, India = 331/1M = 0.03% (although these are all likely significantly under-reported)).

20% infection rates would change the whole ball game in a very bad way, because hospitals would be overwhelmed and death rates would increase tenfold. As per Italy & Spain & New York, anything above about 1% is a full-fledged disaster. So 20% isn't going to happen... long before that, harsh lockdowns would be applied, and few people would resist them. And incoming flights from that area would certainly be banned by NZ.

Yet. The numbers in India and Pakistan and going to be massive soon, and that is wher NZ re now getting the bulk of our new cases from.

You have to look at cities , especially ones that are hotpots, not just countries, as the % will be diluted.

I heard that they have tested New York, and 20% of the population apparently already have antibodies to the virus.

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#2511470 24-Jun-2020 14:36

mattwnz:

Also surprised to hear that if people refuse a test in isolation, they can be forced to stay for up to another 14 days. Free accommodation and food in a hotel, I can see some would jump at that offer. Why are people refusing the test, it just doesn't make sense, as it is a public service to protect al of NZ.

Is is documented that people are refusing the test? Seriously who would jump at this offer? If you're coming home now it's probably because your life has been turned upside down wherever you were living before. Then being trapped in a room doesn't sound like fun to me. Isolation isn't a holiday, it's a way to keep people safe.

Those saying why didn't everyone just come home when the govt said so. Possibly don't understand the complexities of just picking up your life and moving to the otherside of the world, isn't something you can do on a whim.

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#2511538 24-Jun-2020 16:08

mattwnz:

I heard that they have tested New York, and 20% of the population apparently already have antibodies to the virus.

I found this which gives that stat. It's based on a random sample of 3,000 people in NYC, so should be fairly solid.

[edit] Oh wait, it says:

State researchers sampled blood from the approximately 3,000 people they had tested over two days, including about 1,300 in New York City, at grocery and big-box stores.

It's actual sample size is 1,300 in NYC, of which 21% = 273 tested positive.Still pretty solid.

But big box stores are frequented by relatively lower income people, who are also more likely to be infected due to housing density and so on. So it's possible/likely that the actual infection rate across the whole population is lower.

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#2511542 24-Jun-2020 16:12

lxsw20:

Is is documented that people are refusing the test? Seriously who would jump at this offer? If you're coming home now it's probably because your life has been turned upside down wherever you were living before. Then being trapped in a room doesn't sound like fun to me. Isolation isn't a holiday, it's a way to keep people safe.

Yes people are refusing tests. Five day old story so govt may have changed stuff since?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121887609/coronavirus-government-plays-hardball-over-isolators-refusing-covid19-tests

"One person McEwan spoke to said she was refusing to be tested because it impinged on her "human rights.""

""Of course, they can decline having a swab, but I want to make it very clear, people may need to stay for an extra 14 days," Bloomfield said."

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#2511567 24-Jun-2020 16:45

frankv:

It's actual sample size is 1,300 in NYC, of which 21% = 273 tested positive.Still pretty solid.

But big box stores are frequented by relatively lower income people, who are also more likely to be infected due to housing density and so on. So it's possible/likely that the actual infection rate across the whole population is lower.

That is really the problem with any stats at all from this. Some maybe cherry picked to support a particular view etc. But the proportion is only going to increase over time, and one of NZs top experts suggest 4 billion people eventually will get it, which is over 50% of the world population. 10's of millions could also die. The only hope short term IMO is the virus weakens, and longer term we get a vaccine. In the US they are planning on living with it, and although a lot of stores and places have been locked down since march, and still closed, they are beginning to open up. But whether businesses can run profitably in such restrictive ways, and require physical distancing, is yet to be seen. But I saw that some businesses have disclosures on their doors that say that people entering do so at their own risk.

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#2511610 24-Jun-2020 16:51

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Handle9: This was posted on one of the expat groups I am on. Take it as you will...

Okay the one sided reporting coming out of the media is really starting to piss me off. I stayed two weeks at this hotel. I never once in that time came within two metres of any guest or staff member. ...

This is not directed at Handle9, but at the expat mentioned.

So we have to weigh the outcomes:
temporarily pissed off arrivals who then get to stay in a country unique in the world

arrivals killing innocents, creating a wave of nationwide economic instability, damaging our reputation worldwide, slowing down job creation, and burdening everyone with additional government debt
The problem has been similar to the US, where there's too much variation on Covid isolation. The news doesn't cover successes, which is why we don't see stories like "Police attend jewelry store break in. Just a cleaning lady who forgot to turn off alarm."

Hotels are not isolation wards. While I realize hotel owners are struggling, and want guests, even infected guests, our defense forces must have some capacity to set up an isolation ward.

I'd feel much better if one was set up on an island, because I'd bet a house payment some self-centered escape artists will attempt break outs.

They will never read your post so they don't care.

How do you expect the army to establish negative pressure "wards"? Doesn't an isolation "ward" defeat the purpose of isolation?

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#2511634 24-Jun-2020 17:54

lxsw20:

mattwnz:

Also surprised to hear that if people refuse a test in isolation, they can be forced to stay for up to another 14 days. Free accommodation and food in a hotel, I can see some would jump at that offer. Why are people refusing the test, it just doesn't make sense, as it is a public service to protect al of NZ.

Is is documented that people are refusing the test? Seriously who would jump at this offer? If you're coming home now it's probably because your life has been turned upside down wherever you were living before. Then being trapped in a room doesn't sound like fun to me. Isolation isn't a holiday, it's a way to keep people safe.

Those saying why didn't everyone just come home when the govt said so. Possibly don't understand the complexities of just picking up your life and moving to the otherside of the world, isn't something you can do on a whim.

Yes it is documented that there are people refusing, and the number is unknown, as per this article https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121932750/coronavirus-tests-refused-as-health-officials-find-more-than-400-werent-tested

What is a concern from this, is the ability to contact people quickly, and maybe an issue with contact tracing moving forward. 791 is a big percentage of the total that are not being able to contacted. Many people don't bother to pick up phones to answer calls these days anyway.

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#2511637 24-Jun-2020 18:02

rugrat:

lxsw20:

Is is documented that people are refusing the test? Seriously who would jump at this offer? If you're coming home now it's probably because your life has been turned upside down wherever you were living before. Then being trapped in a room doesn't sound like fun to me. Isolation isn't a holiday, it's a way to keep people safe.

Yes people are refusing tests. Five day old story so govt may have changed stuff since?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121887609/coronavirus-government-plays-hardball-over-isolators-refusing-covid19-tests

"One person McEwan spoke to said she was refusing to be tested because it impinged on her "human rights.""

""Of course, they can decline having a swab, but I want to make it very clear, people may need to stay for an extra 14 days," Bloomfield said."

Mr Bloomfield said today that people can refuse but they will then be required to stay an extra 14-day period.

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#2511639 24-Jun-2020 18:05

freitasm:

rugrat:

Yes people are refusing tests. Five day old story so govt may have changed stuff since?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/121887609/coronavirus-government-plays-hardball-over-isolators-refusing-covid19-tests

"One person McEwan spoke to said she was refusing to be tested because it impinged on her "human rights.""

""Of course, they can decline having a swab, but I want to make it very clear, people may need to stay for an extra 14 days," Bloomfield said."

Mr Bloomfield said today that people can refuse but they will then be required to stay an extra 14-day period.

At that point it should definitely be at their own expense.

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#2511651 24-Jun-2020 18:32

rugrat:

More hotels going into lockdown. All this is predictable with people exercising together etc, they should be in proper quarantine including from each other.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/rotoruas-ibis-hotel-in-lockdown/ar-BB15TigZ

Probably more dangerous to go into managed isolation then be in a hot spot.

yes as someone mentioned, like a cruise ship on land. won't be long before the media reports someone wanting to sue someone.

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