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Scott3
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  #2525831 19-Jul-2020 21:00
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tdgeek:

 

 

 

Bold 1

 

Is this test at the departure lounge and result in 10 minutes or an hour? Then that can work. It doesn't reduce the cost as they will still go to MIQ.

 

 

The idea is to reduce risk.

Requiring evidence of a negitive covid-19 PCR test not less than 5 days old to board a flight to NZ could be done (might need a law change).

This would reduce the number of positive people arriving into NZ, hence reducing the risk of people in the airport or isolation facility getting sick (along with other passengers on the plane). Plus it would keep our numbers down, making our stats look a bit better ;)

Of course somebody could still get sick in that last 5 days, or on the plane, so isolation would still be required.

 

tdgeek:

 

Its not that simple. How much does a couple with kids and needs time etc to manage to leave pay? $3000 x 4 or 5? A nice arrival tax.

 



Only if they all want their own room. Otherwise $3000 for the first adult +$1000 for each additional adult, and +$500 for each kid (under 3's free). For some reason some media outlets have been pitching the proposal as $3k for everybody. I should note at this price, the taxpayer is still chipping in financially.

 

I support the costs of re-entering NZ be recovered. We already do this for thinks like customs processing. Personally I think those that are globally mobile should be pretty far down the list for government handouts.




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  #2525835 19-Jul-2020 21:45
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This is really sad , another to add to the now we are reopening, now we are not file. 

 

Things were tough enough for people of Hong Kong, already.  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53462362
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Non-essential civil servants must work from home and testing will increase.

 

The chief executive promised that authorities would carry out 10,000 tests a day, and also made wearing face masks compulsory in indoor public spaces. Face coverings were already mandatory on public transport.

 

The announcement comes days after Hong Kong Disneyland shut less than a month after reopening as the government brought back social distancing measures.

 

Authorities closed bars, gyms and clubs last week amid the fresh outbreak and barred restaurants from allowing diners to eat in past 6pm. These restrictions will be extended.

 

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  #2525926 20-Jul-2020 10:10
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BarTender:

 

Ski fields just this week said they were seeing the busiest time for the school holiday season: https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/holiday-boost-skifields

 

 

I think this was to be expected. Kiwi families have a bit of cash in the discretionary spend bucket due to having been locked down, so are now spending it. It is well-known that school holidays are the busiest time on the skifields, so you would expect Aussies to avoid that if at all possible. So it's no surprise that the scarcity of Aussies hasn't impacted the skifields much.

 

 




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  #2525928 20-Jul-2020 10:16
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Geektastic: From today’s Daily Telegraph, fyi

“The hunt for a "game-changing" antibody test may be over after a version backed by the UK Government passed its first major trials with flying colours.

 

It's great that these tests are improving - but they're not really solving a problem.  A super quick, cheap, and highly sensitive test for viral RNA is what's needed.

 

Presence of / levels of IgG antibodies in serum and correlation with "immunity" isn't known yet, and these tests won't pick up newly infected highly contagious cases.

 

 

And it doesn't help with screening airline passengers. All you know is that a person once had covid-19. They may have it weeks or months ago and be fully recovered.

 

 


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  #2525934 20-Jul-2020 10:27
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Unable to find a direct link to the audio snippet on the radio news break. But as both political sides race to use the seemingly good public support for charging as voter points, The human rights brigade are already denouncing the charge-em protocols being hurried to review/consider

 

Claims it picks out the wealthy and goes against the right of return/travel for residents.

 

Meanwhile someone I know in queensland has sold out of her home made masks heading across the border to Vic as a result of their changes.


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  #2525938 20-Jul-2020 10:37
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ezbee:

 

Things were tough enough for people of Hong Kong, already.  

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53462362

Non-essential civil servants must work from home and testing will increase.

 

The chief executive promised that authorities would carry out 10,000 tests a day, and also made wearing face masks compulsory in indoor public spaces. Face coverings were already mandatory on public transport.

 

 

10,000 daily tests for HK is a pretty poor target,

 

It has a population of 7+ million. ... VIC are doing north of 20K daily tests with a state population of just over 6 million and most of those will be in MEL with a 5 mill population....

 

 


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  #2525941 20-Jul-2020 10:41
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I have a niece who's a front line nurse in a Texas health clinic.

I think I mentioned back in April, only a few staff were using Personal protective equipment (PPE). Outside the clinic someone in PPE would ask Texans if they thought they were at-risk. Those at risk would go into a one line, to be handled by personnel in PPE.

Those that did not identify as at-risk went into another line. People, being dicks, would lie about being at-risk. Once these dicks were inside, they'd engage with the receptionist and medical personnel without PPE. If asked, they'd brazenly admit they lied. The reason they lied: so they'd didn't want to wait. (sound familiar)

So I sent my niece the article about the future at-home COVID testing, developed by Oxford.

"That’s interesting. I’d like to get an antibody test just out of curiosity.

I’ve been exposed several times that I know of- I’ve never been tested.

I reported each exposure to my employer but they said they didn’t want to test me unless I had symptoms (which I never have but several studies have shown asymptomatic people can still transmit Covid).

I just tried to take as many precautions as possible to avoid infecting others."

 
 
 

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  #2525942 20-Jul-2020 10:51
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  #2526014 20-Jul-2020 14:01
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frankv:

 

 

 

And it doesn't help with screening airline passengers. All you know is that a person once had covid-19. They may have it weeks or months ago and be fully recovered.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think the test is far more of a benefit for those countries that are now having to live and work in a COVID economy. My understanding is that it is so they know which people  who have had the virus and have antibodies are then potentially safe to go to work and not be affected by it while they have those antibodies?


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  #2526016 20-Jul-2020 14:13
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

I think the test is far more of a benefit for those countries that are now having to live and work in a COVID economy. My understanding is that it is so they know which people  who have had the virus and have antibodies are then potentially safe to go to work and not be affected by it while they have those antibodies?

 

 

I though immunity was dubious, or at least in doubt? As to how immune and for how long


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  #2526020 20-Jul-2020 14:21
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tdgeek:

 

I though immunity was dubious, or at least in doubt? As to how immune and for how long

 

 

Not sure if there's a consensus although I don't think people can be sure that acquired immunity lasts more than a few months. I saw another story today about a doctor once again testing positive after previously catching Covid-19 three months ago, but most of those cases could be long-lasting results of the case rather than a re-infection.


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  #2526022 20-Jul-2020 14:24
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There's no definitive answer yet, but if natural immunity lasts only three to six months, then any plans for gradually-managed herd immunity would be almost impossible to achieve.


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  #2526023 20-Jul-2020 14:26
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tieke:

 

tdgeek:

 

I though immunity was dubious, or at least in doubt? As to how immune and for how long

 

 

Not sure if there's a consensus although I don't think people can be sure that acquired immunity lasts more than a few months. I saw another story today about a doctor once again testing positive after previously catching Covid-19 three months ago, but most of those cases could be long-lasting results of the case rather than a re-infection.

 

 

Yep, hard to know, there is a myriad of information in this thread, @Fred99 can possible update us on the latest on immunity


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  #2526042 20-Jul-2020 15:21
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Yep, hard to know, there is a myriad of information in this thread, @Fred99 can possible update us on the latest on immunity

 

 

No I can't. 

 

Data from phase III clinical trials of vaccine should give info - but limited to measuring efficacy in the time since since vaccinated.  Then phase IV will go on for years before a full picture emerges (will also be a better picture of immunity after infection - so long as the pandemic keeps raging and many "recovered" patients are exposed again).

 

I haven't heard of a confirmed case of reinfection (that couldn't be possibly explained by errors). You might be able to get reinfected and not get sick, but test positive for viral RNA - so that gets confusing / hard to measure (ie if "immune" and getting a very mild case, how do you know it wouldn't have been a mild case anyway? IIRC some young people known to have been infected and recovered produced almost undetectable low levels of antibodies) 

 

I'm optimistic - but everything still reinforces my belief that we've got to do whatever possible to keep this virus out of NZ as long as we can. 

 

From WHO on "immunity passports" (dated April)

 

BBC article on vaccine "challenge" trials.

 

If they do this (deliberately infecting volunteers), then some results are possible sooner and with smaller trial participants - but there's a problem with that methodology, as you're only infecting young/fit volunteers, and that may not give a result representative of vaccine efficacy across the population :

 

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jul/16/coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-team-volunteers-lab-controlled-human-challenge-trial

 

And if successful - that still doesn't tell you how long immunity lasts.


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  #2526046 20-Jul-2020 15:30
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Fred99:

 

And if successful - that still doesn't tell you how long immunity lasts.

 

 

Yeah, that's the kicker, and the other wrinkle is the mutations that are occurring,

 

Although from the situation we had in NZ where 2 family members independently contracted 2 different strains,  and then were in close contact,it does appear the risk of catching both strains is low, hopefully that will mean the antibodies generated via a vaccine for one strain will provide (some) resistance to other strains.... 


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