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Wannabe Geek

#2196009 11-Mar-2019 17:26

Batman:
Jezzza234:

I tried to find an answer to this but it's hard since its a single thread with numerous posts. I just bought a 2018 Nissan Leaf (UK spec, N-Connecta). Very happy with it but wondered about getting the GPS to work for NZ. I was surprised that even with Apple CarPlay it still thought it was in the UK. Funnily enough while connected even my iPhone insists it's in the UK!

I've seen Nissan Leaf 2018's being sold saying they have working NZ GPS, and one even had a photo of it working with Apple Maps in NZ. Anyone have advice for this please? Do I need to replace any hardware or can it be done with a software update? Can I even do it on the SD card supplied or does it need to go to a Nissan Dealership?

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Unfortunately he isn’t replying. Does anyone know what would be required to get GPS working for that UK import? I’m happy to only use gps through CarPlay but even that doesn’t work as it always uses the gps from the car. All I want to know is whether I need a hardware change, something for the sd card, or something else. I know it can be done because I’ve seen this model sold with working Apple Maps through CarPlay.

Wondered if it might be a case of disconnecting the gps from it and maybe it would force it to use the phone gps instead. I’m worried about doing that though because in this model to get at it means dismantling a lot of the interior and I don’t want to damage anything. This is a brand new car.

MadaNZ

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Wannabe Geek

#2196606 12-Mar-2019 16:14

Hello,

I've been considering making the move from an ICE to an EV over the past couple of months and have been conducting a bit of my own research but wanted to get some advice from the experts on here before I take the plunge.

FYI I have a gas guzzling 2008 BMW 135i that I would be trading in against it...

After perusing the market for awhile I've decided I'm after a Gen II X or G model with black interior and black exterior...and probably at least 80% SOH. I live in Auckland and it would mainly be used for commuting from out west (Massey) Into the city, with occasional trips to Whangaparoa.

My main concern is battery degradation, I've been told to expect around 3-5% loss a year depending on how its treated/driven etc. So if I lost a full 5% per year that would be around 7km range every year which seems quite high. With the costs of replacing a leaf battery still being very expensive is this still a financially viable move? I realise I would be saving around 2k a year in petrol...I am just worried about the range reducing quickly and then having to shell out for a battery after only 5 years of ownership, I guess most people are hoping that by that time they have come down in price, or you can swap the battery out for a better one with much higher range?

What are other peoples experiences so far with a gen II leaf?

Thank you ver much in advance!

paulchinnz

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#2196622 12-Mar-2019 16:40

For those like myself who permanently connect OBD2 to the Leaf, here's a caveat from flipthefleet:

https://flipthefleet.org/2019/nissan-advise-not-to-use-aftermarket-obd2-devices/

gzt

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#2196632 12-Mar-2019 17:05

MadaNZ:
Hello,

I've been considering making the move from an ICE to an EV over the past couple of months and have been conducting a bit of my own research but wanted to get some advice from the experts on here before I take the plunge.

FYI I have a gas guzzling 2008 BMW 135i that I would be trading in against it...

After perusing the market for awhile I've decided I'm after a Gen II X or G model with black interior and black exterior...and probably at least 80% SOH. I live in Auckland and it would mainly be used for commuting from out west (Massey) Into the city, with occasional trips to Whangaparoa.

My main concern is battery degradation, I've been told to expect around 3-5% loss a year depending on how its treated/driven etc. So if I lost a full 5% per year that would be around 7km range every year which seems quite high. With the costs of replacing a leaf battery still being very expensive is this still a financially viable move? I realise I would be saving around 2k a year in petrol...I am just worried about the range reducing quickly and then having to shell out for a battery after only 5 years of ownership, I guess most people are hoping that by that time they have come down in price, or you can swap the battery out for a better one with much higher range?

What are other peoples experiences so far with a gen II leaf?

Thank you ver much in advance!

I'm no expert. My guess is a sale after three years and moving to a later model is the way to go. Your mileage sounds like 50km per day average. Not much on a per year basis and still good value left in the car. Even if you keep it for the full five it will be relatively low mileage and wear for another owner.

MadaNZ

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Wannabe Geek

#2196637 12-Mar-2019 17:09

My wife would throw her toys if I tried to sell this car after 3 years. Whatever I trade my BMW in for next has to last me at least 5 years, 10 if possible.

tripper1000

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#2196848 13-Mar-2019 00:37

My honest 2 cents worth: Take a couple for decent test drives before you buy. Even think about renting one for a week from Blue Cars etc so you can experience it without time and sales pressure.

If you are a bit of a geek or a greenie, then go for it. If you are doing it to save money and are worried about depreciation, then the cheapest car is the one that has already depreciated, which is probably your current car or a $1,000 banger.

Keep in mind that the Leaf is the cheapest main stream EV you can buy, so it is also the worse mainstream EV you can buy.

If you are a car enthusiast, you might find it a bit of a let down after the BMW (I've not driven the 1 series so I can't be certain, but it has nothing on a 3, 5 or 7 series). The drive train is brilliant and superb to drive in city traffic, but the body & interior is typical so-so Nissan. The Leaf is just an electric Tiida, with the usual lack of refinement found in light, low end Japanese hatches, such as excessive road noise from the rear end (I keep thinking the rear hatch was open in the rain), barely usable mirrors on chip-seal due to excessive road vibration and budget suspension systems leading to a very average ride comfort (I have to take the speed bumps in my street 15 kph slower than in my ICE). It also has the usual Nissan 'characteristics' such very poorly utilised spaces, wastefully large internal voids, lack-luster/absent ergonomics, rattles and an over-aggressive indicator cancel system. On the up side, due to stiff springs and high curb weight, when you put 3 big guys in the back seat, or 4 bags of cement in the boot, the back end doesn't sag-out.

The handling is quite docile and predictable, probably due to the even weight balance - when you over-cook a corner it goes into a gentle 4 wheel drift. I doesn't sledge badly and the back end doesn't snap out suddenly. It can't corner as fast as my ICE but I suspect that is due to the low grip ECO tires they come with, not the suspension.

If you buy one, your first purchase after that should be one of those lithium jump start packs - I never used my jump start pack on my own car until I bought the Leaf, now I use it every 2 months as regular as clockwork.

For reference, this is mainly compared to my ICE which is an Altezza, and which is superior for comfort, quietness, luggage space and reliability.

Overall the Leaf has totally convinced me that EV is the future. I love the EV concept but I'm not in love with the Leaf and if someone totaled it I wouldn't shed a tear. It is the Nissan-ness that spoils it for me and if Toyota built an EV I'd trade up it in a heart beat.

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#2196940 13-Mar-2019 08:38

Jezzza234:

I tried to find an answer to this but it's hard since its a single thread with numerous posts. I just bought a 2018 Nissan Leaf (UK spec, N-Connecta). Very happy with it but wondered about getting the GPS to work for NZ. I was surprised that even with Apple CarPlay it still thought it was in the UK. Funnily enough while connected even my iPhone insists it's in the UK!

I've seen Nissan Leaf 2018's being sold saying they have working NZ GPS, and one even had a photo of it working with Apple Maps in NZ. Anyone have advice for this please? Do I need to replace any hardware or can it be done with a software update? Can I even do it on the SD card supplied or does it need to go to a Nissan Dealership?

I've seen the same behaviour on my 2018 UK Leaf from Mercury Drive. It's magnified in my house because I use Android Auto flawlessly, which reads from the phone GPS, and my other half has an iPhone and basically never connects to use CarPlay for this reason. Disconcerting to have correct driving directions on the iOS device get ignored as soon as the cable is plugged in, after which the car thinks it is still in the UK.

I hadn't yet seen the 2018s being sold with NZ GPS so that's a good find and heartening to hear. Let us know how you get on...I'm sure there must be a solution that doesn't involve disassembly.

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#2196983 13-Mar-2019 09:34

tripper1000:

My honest 2 cents worth: Take a couple for decent test drives before you buy. Even think about renting one for a week from Blue Cars etc so you can experience it without time and sales pressure.

If you are a bit of a geek or a greenie, then go for it. If you are doing it to save money and are worried about depreciation, then the cheapest car is the one that has already depreciated, which is probably your current car or a $1,000 banger.

1000x this.

Drive a few and make sure you're going to like it. The EV market is going to change dramatically over the next few years with things like the Peugeot e-208, Seat el-Born, VW ID, Tesla Model Y, and who knows what else. I feel like the price of an old leaf will plummet once these hit the market (and Kona/eNiro's filter down to second hand).

Personally if you wanted your next car to last 5-10 years, I'd keep the BMW (if it's still running OK) and replace it with one of the above in 2022.

MadaNZ

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#2197255 13-Mar-2019 13:21

Thank you very much for the super informative and well thought out replies guys. The BMW i have right now is running perfectly fine, its just a gas guzzler that's all. The warranty runs out in November this year, so perhaps i should just renew that and keep it for another 3 years and trade in for an EV in 2022 like you say!

GizTec

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#2197257 13-Mar-2019 13:24

kelly42:

Jezzza234:

I tried to find an answer to this but it's hard since its a single thread with numerous posts. I just bought a 2018 Nissan Leaf (UK spec, N-Connecta). Very happy with it but wondered about getting the GPS to work for NZ. I was surprised that even with Apple CarPlay it still thought it was in the UK. Funnily enough while connected even my iPhone insists it's in the UK!

I've seen Nissan Leaf 2018's being sold saying they have working NZ GPS, and one even had a photo of it working with Apple Maps in NZ. Anyone have advice for this please? Do I need to replace any hardware or can it be done with a software update? Can I even do it on the SD card supplied or does it need to go to a Nissan Dealership?

I've seen the same behaviour on my 2018 UK Leaf from Mercury Drive. It's magnified in my house because I use Android Auto flawlessly, which reads from the phone GPS, and my other half has an iPhone and basically never connects to use CarPlay for this reason. Disconcerting to have correct driving directions on the iOS device get ignored as soon as the cable is plugged in, after which the car thinks it is still in the UK.

I hadn't yet seen the 2018s being sold with NZ GPS so that's a good find and heartening to hear. Let us know how you get on...I'm sure there must be a solution that doesn't involve disassembly.

Have you tried unplugging the GPS antenna and disconnecting the battery for 30 mins?

Elliemay

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#2197336 13-Mar-2019 15:00

Delphinus:

tripper1000:

My honest 2 cents worth: Take a couple for decent test drives before you buy. Even think about renting one for a week from Blue Cars etc so you can experience it without time and sales pressure.

If you are a bit of a geek or a greenie, then go for it. If you are doing it to save money and are worried about depreciation, then the cheapest car is the one that has already depreciated, which is probably your current car or a $1,000 banger.

1000x this.

Drive a few and make sure you're going to like it. The EV market is going to change dramatically over the next few years with things like the Peugeot e-208, Seat el-Born, VW ID, Tesla Model Y, and who knows what else. I feel like the price of an old leaf will plummet once these hit the market (and Kona/eNiro's filter down to second hand).

Personally if you wanted your next car to last 5-10 years, I'd keep the BMW (if it's still running OK) and replace it with one of the above in 2022.

If we all waited for the latest and greatest to arrive we would never purchase anything........and there is currently an exemption from Road User Charges. That may not exist in 3 years time, but what is certain is it does exist now. And if we all bought cars based on some expected resale value in some predetermined time frame, we would be best buying collectibles only.

Delphinus

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#2197349 13-Mar-2019 15:31

MadaNZ:

Thank you very much for the super informative and well thought out replies guys. The BMW i have right now is running perfectly fine, its just a gas guzzler that's all. The warranty runs out in November this year, so perhaps i should just renew that and keep it for another 3 years and trade in for an EV in 2022 like you say!

In the meantime, take a few for a drive. A Kona, eNiro, eGolf, BMW i3. Get a feel for what you like and don't like. For me it was things like 1 pedal driving, active (liquid) battery cooling systems, rear legroom, and just general look, feel and handling.

Delphinus

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#2197354 13-Mar-2019 15:40

Elliemay:

If we all waited for the latest and greatest to arrive we would never purchase anything........and there is currently an exemption from Road User Charges. That may not exist in 3 years time, but what is certain is it does exist now. And if we all bought cars based on some expected resale value in some predetermined time frame, we would be best buying collectibles only.

There are multiple places to buy in on the innovation curve though. Eg Bleeding edge, early, mainstream, lagger etc.

As for RUC, for someone travelling the average 12,000kms a year, that's $816 a year (in saving). Not a lot. Long term (accounting for the cost of vehicles, their currently development pace, depreciation etc) that's a drop in the pond.

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#2197357 13-Mar-2019 15:45

In an ideal world I would have waited another couple of years myself, but my old car died and I needed to replace it. For me, buying an EV was not solely about cheap running costs or having a cool new technology. It's about doing the right thing, and EVs are the right thing. Doing the right thing does cost money, sometimes.

But having said that, it doesn't matter what car you buy, it's going to lose half it's value the second they hand you the keys. A car is not an investment in which you ever expect to come out ahead. It's a thing you have because you have to have one. So I bought a short-range EV because it will be able handle 99% of my driving even at about 75% health - which should be 3-4 years from now - and by that time I expect the battery replacement issues should have solutions. And if not, I can still either trade the car in, hand it down to the kids for their first car or my wife who commutes half the distance ...

If I just wanted a cheap car I would not have bought an EV. I wanted to stop burning poison. That's why I bought an EV.

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#2197367 13-Mar-2019 15:48

Elliemay:

If we all waited for the latest and greatest to arrive we would never purchase anything........and there is currently an exemption from Road User Charges. That may not exist in 3 years time, but what is certain is it does exist now. And if we all bought cars based on some expected resale value in some predetermined time frame, we would be best buying collectibles only.

I'll tell you now, Unless the price of petrol or ICE vehicles double, re imposing RUC on EVs will kill the EV market in NZ Stone Dead...

it will not happen,.....

Although its also interesting that the NZ EV adoption is plateauing at around 6000 additional vehicles a year, meaning the target of 60K EVs by 2021 is getting further out of reach... ( as of 2/19 the total is 13K)

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