Nissan LEAF - General

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#2226345 27-Apr-2019 14:40

There's some good info on SOH and battery health on the Flip the Fleet site - see https://flipthefleet.org/2017/nissan-leaf-check-your-battery-before-buying/

85% is close to the point the battery will drop to 11 bars - the link above discusses this.

We bought ours at 12 bars and around 87% SOH (I think), and it dropped to 11 within a month or so of buying it! I used to worry about this, and regularly used LeafSpy to track it - but for me it took away from the pleasure of driving the car. Ever since I gave up worrying it's been a much more relaxed experience.

Some will say a high SOH is a must, but as with any purchase it'll depend on so many factors and how you rate them: your budget, the range you believe you will require, the prioritisation of battery health over other features - for us, we were happy to accept a slightly lower SOH to slightly mitigate the higher purchase price of a car with (I think) eight airbags.

If you're needing to max out the charge every day, or have limited ability to regularly charge the car, then a high SOH may be really important - but then again it would make more sense to also look to a 30kwh model. But I reckon for most people it's not a truly big issue - there are some with early (ie pre-2013) Leafs with relatively limited range, but they still work for them.

One thing on the BT in our 2013 - it is somewhat fussy with my wife's phone, and this wasn't a once-off as it was the same with her previous phone! Annoyingly, she usually has to manually force the phone to connect, whereas it's always been pain-free for me.

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#2227106 29-Apr-2019 09:20

Fenix Power in US is offering 40kwh upgrades for Gen1 (2011-17) Leafs. They are taking international expressions of interest as well. (Price in USD)

Buy your Batteries: $1,500 installation, approximately $6,000 for the battery modules, and a reasonable monthly service plan.
Buy your Batteries over time: $1,500 installation, around $200 per month depending on payoff terms and duration, and then a much lower monthly service plan.
Simply Subscribe: $1,500 installation, and a monthly service cost of LESS THAN $99 per month.

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/26/a-2013-nissan-leaf-with-380-miles-of-range/

I'd gladly pay 10k NZD for a 40kwh battery upgrade for my 24kwh 2013 leaf.

GV27

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#2227125 29-Apr-2019 10:01

Much of the reaction there mirrors my thoughts:

1) 7.5K USD for the batteries then an additional ongoing subscription? Depends if we are talking a Netflix amount per month or something higher.

2) Are we talking batteries that will wear like the current Leafs or alternative/better chemistry with some sort of active cooling?

3) Hopefully this is one of many aftermarket solutions coming for repowering the old Leafs; buying a cheapie becomes a far more viable option if you know someone might one day package NMC 811 cells or similar for it.

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#2227185 29-Apr-2019 11:02

GV27:

2) Are we talking batteries that will wear like the current Leafs or alternative/better chemistry with some sort of active cooling?

Page linked to states "Fenix Power will be providing new cooled and monitored batteries ".

The http://leaf380.com/ site linked to from that page confirms this: "The batteries will have an Active Thermal Mangement system and be backed by a warranty
that guarantees that if you drop a bar they will replace modules to get you back up to 100% range."

langi27

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#2227238 29-Apr-2019 11:21

We need a NZ based EV service agent(s) to get in touch with these guys and get things moving along to be able to professionally fit this in NZ, agree pricing, spares, shipping, warranty, etc.

We must have a large enough number of Gen 1's to spark an interest.

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#2227361 29-Apr-2019 13:35

I personally have a Gen 1 Leaf with under 70% SOH.

I'm interested in a reasonable replacement battery, even just a 24KW battery would be fine.

I don't need full range, but back to the original 120 mile range ( I think that's what it was) would be great.

By reasonable I mean under NZ$15,000, everything included - pick up of car, replace battery, return car. + warranty of course....
Converting the dash and stereo to English while it was there I would consider paying for at the same time.

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#2227373 29-Apr-2019 13:52

langi27:

We need a NZ based EV service agent(s) to get in touch with these guys and get things moving along to be able to professionally fit this in NZ, agree pricing, spares, shipping, warranty, etc.

We must have a large enough number of Gen 1's to spark an interest.

I think you might be waiting along time....There are around 130,000 leafs in the US, there are probably 5-6000 in NZ

Also I suspect that all of their development has been based around US Spec Leafs... whether there is any material difference between them and RHD Japan or UK spec is not clear....

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#2227377 29-Apr-2019 14:07

in my experience, if you don't ask you'll never know. Its worth asking the question.

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#2227388 29-Apr-2019 15:02

NZ is in their sights. If you read what the founder/CEO has said in some of the forums, he has stated that they want to supply kits to installers and DIY'ers in other countries and that they have have interest from other countries including the UK, Australia and NZ. He sees that the biggest obstacle will be shipping. If you can send it by the containers load (say 10 kits at once to a NZ agent) this would dramatically reduce the costs.

As an owner, it is good to see options like this on the horizon.

GV27

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#2227486 29-Apr-2019 16:24

jonathan18:

GV27:

2) Are we talking batteries that will wear like the current Leafs or alternative/better chemistry with some sort of active cooling?

Page linked to states "Fenix Power will be providing new cooled and monitored batteries ".

The http://leaf380.com/ site linked to from that page confirms this: "The batteries will have an Active Thermal Mangement system and be backed by a warranty
that guarantees that if you drop a bar they will replace modules to get you back up to 100% range."

Should have had a proper read! Will keep an eye on this.

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#2227487 29-Apr-2019 16:27

Is @ruki still working in this space? He might have something to add.

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#2228625 1-May-2019 12:18

I'm a new (2nd hand) happy Nissan Leaf owner so wanted to register here to share my story.

I reckon I got an absolute bargain: 2014 24kW X Aero, black, 12 bars, 84.08% SOH, 31,000km, excellent condition, only $15,800 from Turners in Christchurch.

Turners completely undersold this car on their website - their listing just said "2104 Nissan Leaf", no mention of S/X/G, no SOH, no mention of Aero trim or alloy wheels. Listed at $16,000. Like most other people I scrolled past this car on Trademe assuming that it was an S model for that price, or had low SOH since it wasn't mentioned. Then after a bit more research I learned about the Aero trim with the alloy wheels, and next time I was scrolling through trademe I noticed the alloy wheels so knew it was the Aero. Looked closer and saw the controls on the steering wheel so new it wasn't an S, then saw the 12 bars.

I phoned Turners to ask about the SOH, but they said that they didn't have the dongle yet so didn't know it. Took it for a test drive to a mate (Japanese car importer) who checked it over and showed me the 84.08% SOH. So I went back to Turners to do the deal!

Negotiated $200 off while going back and forth on my trade-in, but the trade-in never happened because the guy was taking the p**s, but I managed to keep the $200 off!

Two weeks later I'm happy as Larry! I absolutely love driving it. Saving at least $10 every weekday just on my commute, will easily save in excess of $300/month compared to ICE. (total saved so far = $179 after exactly 2 weeks). At my mortgage interest rate of 3.95% it will pay itself off in about 5 years (not including RUC...).

I'm an professional engineer and geek so have been recording daily trip and kWh at the plug socket. Some things I've noticed:

My cost per 100km over 924km (2 weeks) has averaged out to be $2.27/100km. Lower than the typically quoted $3/100km. (charging overnight on Flick electricity, using the nightly average of the kWh rate between 9pm and 6am).
At current fuel prices and my previous ICE fuel economy of 9.8 l/100km, this is equivalent to buying petrol at 23 cents-per-litre. Lower than the typically quoted 30c/l.
Based on the daily kWh reported by the charger, my average km/kWh is 5.99 when over the same period the car reported an average of 6.7 km/kWh. This indicates a charging efficiency of 89.4% (charging to 100% every night)

I'm expecting to drop to 11 bars any moment, but so far still have 12...

I've been keeping an eye on Trademe and haven't seen anything close to this bargain since!

koreoes

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#2230965 4-May-2019 20:12

wOW I came across a very unique leaf last week, unfortunately someone had placed a deposit on it the next day so it was no longer available for the market

The door sills were illuminated with a "zero emmisions" logo and everything... the doors had LED lights on the sides. It was actually prettly amazing, 79% SOH 2014 though rip. The leaf was the 80th edition one. Never seen anything like it before.

It looked something like this (not my pic) anyone else come across this?

I managed to find only one link for them, incase someone would want them (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Nissan-Leaf-ZE1-2018-Illuminated-Entry-Guards-Front-only-G69503NL0A-/263575663340) but theres very little to no information on this stuff... it looked very Nissan done, not aftermarket fitted. Doesn't seem like 80th edition was meant to come with them, maybe they're an extra option?

update: I found another site for them! https://www.glynhopkinpartsonline.co.uk/products/nissan-leaf-illuminated-entry-guards-g69503nl0a

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#2231065 5-May-2019 10:25

koreoes:

wOW I came across a very unique leaf last week, unfortunately someone had placed a deposit on it the next day so it was no longer available for the market

The door sills were illuminated with a "zero emmisions" logo and everything... the doors had LED lights on the sides. It was actually prettly amazing, 79% SOH 2014 though rip. The leaf was the 80th edition one. Never seen anything like it before.

It looked something like this (not my pic) anyone else come across this?

I managed to find only one link for them, incase someone would want them (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Nissan-Leaf-ZE1-2018-Illuminated-Entry-Guards-Front-only-G69503NL0A-/263575663340) but theres very little to no information on this stuff... it looked very Nissan done, not aftermarket fitted. Doesn't seem like 80th edition was meant to come with them, maybe they're an extra option?

update: I found another site for them! https://www.glynhopkinpartsonline.co.uk/products/nissan-leaf-illuminated-entry-guards-g69503nl0a

Yes, mine's like that.. :-)

In fact it was the car dealer used to showcase their Leafs.
I believe it was an option, not sure if a limited edition or otherwise.

Jezzza234

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#2234829 11-May-2019 08:52

Jezzza234:
GizTec:

kelly42:

Jezzza234:

I tried to find an answer to this but it's hard since its a single thread with numerous posts. I just bought a 2018 Nissan Leaf (UK spec, N-Connecta). Very happy with it but wondered about getting the GPS to work for NZ. I was surprised that even with Apple CarPlay it still thought it was in the UK. Funnily enough while connected even my iPhone insists it's in the UK!

I've seen Nissan Leaf 2018's being sold saying they have working NZ GPS, and one even had a photo of it working with Apple Maps in NZ. Anyone have advice for this please? Do I need to replace any hardware or can it be done with a software update? Can I even do it on the SD card supplied or does it need to go to a Nissan Dealership?

I've seen the same behaviour on my 2018 UK Leaf from Mercury Drive. It's magnified in my house because I use Android Auto flawlessly, which reads from the phone GPS, and my other half has an iPhone and basically never connects to use CarPlay for this reason. Disconcerting to have correct driving directions on the iOS device get ignored as soon as the cable is plugged in, after which the car thinks it is still in the UK.

I hadn't yet seen the 2018s being sold with NZ GPS so that's a good find and heartening to hear. Let us know how you get on...I'm sure there must be a solution that doesn't involve disassembly.

Have you tried unplugging the GPS antenna and disconnecting the battery for 30 mins?

I wondered about it too, but when I looked in to how to get access to it, I found I basically have to open up a lot of the interior of the car before I can even get access to the back of the infotainment system. Since the car is brand new, I'm very concerned about damaging at all by doing that. I was really hoping for a solution that didn't involve doing that, but yes, it's possible if I disconnect it that it might then force it to use the phone GPS. Of course, even that may not work though.

Randomly, I tried Apple Maps (and other GPS apps) on CarPlay again two days ago and it’s working now! No idea why all of a sudden. I’m running iOS version 12.1.4. Afraid to even restart the phone in case it’s a one off bug that’s making it work. Maybe it was in the 12.1.4 update, although there’s no mention of it. Also afraid to do the next update in case it was only that version and Apple stopped it working again.

Anyone else that has an iPhone can you try as well please and let me know if it works for you now. Also say what iOS version you have.

Having GPS working is a really cool addition and I hope I don’t lose it

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