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  #2601938 11-Nov-2020 16:25
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Meridian own the power station and the rights to the water. They can sell the power to whom ever they choose and what ever price they agree. Return on investment criteria is between the Meridian board and shareholders. Dream on if you thing Meridian is going to give Joe-public cheap electricity.

 

Transpower is Govt owned and required to be cost neutral. The way they are recovering their costs is unbalanced. They are not mandated to gouge one user to benefit others.

 

The Govt blocked Rio from investing in its own power lines which is Cartel like behaviour.

 

The original builders of Tiwai (The Commonwealth Aluminium Corporation Pty Ltd) also wanted to build and own Manapouri but the Govt of they day was on a Hydro building binge said it would buidl and operate it on behalf. We are now welshing on this agreement. 

 

Edit: This is why power lines to fully link Manapouri to the National Grid where never needed/required.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manapouri_Power_Station

 

 

Well, no, Meridian can't sell the power to anyone else because there is no infrastructure to carry the power to anywhere but Tiwai.

 

So it would be a monopoly one way or the other... either the Govt own the lines, or Rio Tinto owns them. Likewise the dam itself.  It's much more sensible for the Govt to own them, because then they can connect them to other users if they want.

 

The agreement for the supply of power was never immutable. That's why it has reviews periodically, which is what's happening at the moment. At the time of a review, Rio Tinto tries to negotiate the price down by whatever means it has at its disposal, and the Govt/Meridian try to negotiate the price up. The links to the National Grid weren't built because Comalco was paying a good enough price, and there wasn't the demand. Now the price is not so good, and there is increased demand, so it's sensible to revisit the connection question.

 

 




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  #2601953 11-Nov-2020 16:45
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Can we move Tewai to different thread.

Its not EV its politics.

How much should we protect on industry in a small area vrs costs of votes.

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  #2603607 14-Nov-2020 08:35
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I'm picking up my new MG ZS EV this morning. I got a sneak peek at it yesterday afternoon at Euro City in Napier. The photo is my car before it's valeted.

MG reduced the price to $48,990 last week for the launch. So it cost me less than I'd agreed. Main features for me are:

- Liquid-cooled 44.5kWh battery (range 260km real world)
- SUV format
- large glass sun roof (half can be opened)
- Great value for the money
- 8 year transferable warranty. Battery warranty is also 8 years (increased from 5 years).

This car can do Opotiki to Auckland with a short top up stop in either Waihi or Matamata or Morrinsville, depending on which way I chose to go.








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  #2603612 14-Nov-2020 08:49
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So the South Australian government have decided to tax EVs in order to recoup road tax from them. Definitely swimming against the tide in relation to the rest of the world.  As if Australia wasn't already in danger of becoming the last bastion of climate change denial with the demise of the Trump administration 🤦





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  #2603652 14-Nov-2020 11:17
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Rupert Murdoch doing climate change denial and Big Coal working together to destroy Australia.

Just another day in OZ.




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  #2603689 14-Nov-2020 13:04
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

So the South Australian government have decided to tax EVs in order to recoup road tax from them. Definitely swimming against the tide in relation to the rest of the world.  As if Australia wasn't already in danger of becoming the last bastion of climate change denial with the demise of the Trump administration 🤦

 

 

They should raise the fuel levy to offset the decline from EV's. Retains EV advantage and gradually increases the ICE disadvantage. It will rake in the road care tax but decline fuel use which is the intended result. At some point though EV will have to start paying. Perhaps make ICE pay all the road care tax till they are 50% of the market then graduate EV paying their share.


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  #2603692 14-Nov-2020 13:18
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Audi Electric in NZ adds future guaranteed value program:

https://www.audi.co.nz/nz/web/en/sales/offers/Audi_Future_Value_Guarantee.html


 
 
 

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  #2603696 14-Nov-2020 13:30
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tdgeek:

 

They should raise the fuel levy to offset the decline from EV's. Retains EV advantage and gradually increases the ICE disadvantage. It will rake in the road care tax but decline fuel use which is the intended result. At some point though EV will have to start paying. Perhaps make ICE pay all the road care tax till they are 50% of the market then graduate EV paying their share.

 

That would result in the tax take getting pretty lean as the 50% mark was approached.

 

I suspect NZ may well overhaul the whole RUC system in the near future towards one that charges all vehicles on a distance travelled basis. Something along the lines of a satellite monitoring system on all vehicles or perhaps a terrestrial tracking system similar to that being used in the Melbourne area now.

 

Distance travelled RUCs makes for a fairer system for all road users and by linking it to the actual vehicle the problem with RUCs being included in petrol price when for non-road use is addressed. Remote tracking also nets the RUC dodging owners which is currently common among small diesels anecdotally. The system would be capable of differentiating between EVs and ICE vehicles with incentivisation of EVs being possible by lower RUC rates.





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  #2603698 14-Nov-2020 13:37
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

 

 

That would result in the tax take getting pretty lean as the 50% mark was approached.

 

 

 

 

Not lean, but double for ICE if the line was set at 50%. Or make it 40%. At the threshold the excessive ICE RUC would stop increasing and EV start contributing. The ability of many to own an EV right now is limited, but later on there would be far fewer excuses not to, which makes the penalty fair play. Yes, for some ICE instances there would be exceptions


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  #2603769 14-Nov-2020 18:05
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

Something along the lines of a satellite monitoring system on all vehicles or perhaps a terrestrial tracking system similar to that being used in the Melbourne area now.

 

 

 

 

Thanks but no. And I say that as an employee of a company whose product only works if it can track where you are.





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  #2603824 14-Nov-2020 18:45
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SaltyNZ:

 

HarmLessSolutions:

 

Something along the lines of a satellite monitoring system on all vehicles or perhaps a terrestrial tracking system similar to that being used in the Melbourne area now.

 

 

 

 

Thanks but no. And I say that as an employee of a company whose product only works if it can track where you are.

 

If your negativity is in regard to incomplete coverage then this wouldn't be a show-stopper for a RUC system to work. Just have the system 'join the dots' when coverage is interrupted such as inside buildings or in other difficult locations. The (calculated) distance travelled would still be fit for purpose.





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  #2603839 14-Nov-2020 19:26
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Odometer is used for many legal and maintenance purposes just use that.

A gps based system does not need to record your location to record the distance traveled anyway..

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  #2603849 14-Nov-2020 19:41
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I feel a GPS system is getting WAY overcomplicated. K.I.S.S

 

 


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  #2604502 16-Nov-2020 06:29
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tdgeek:

I feel a GPS system is getting WAY overcomplicated. K.I.S.S


 



Have you heard of E-Road? No more RUC label, automatic topup of distance when you have nearly run out, can tell the difference between on road and off road use so no more having to manually claim back farm/private road use... doesn't get much simpler than that.

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  #2604777 16-Nov-2020 14:55
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

If your negativity is in regard to incomplete coverage then this wouldn't be a show-stopper for a RUC system to work. Just have the system 'join the dots' when coverage is interrupted such as inside buildings or in other difficult locations. The (calculated) distance travelled would still be fit for purpose.

 

 

 

 

No, my negativity is in regards to having the government tracking me everywhere I drive. And as I said above, I'm aware that my phone is already tracking me, but I can turn that off; and that there are cameras around the place ... it's just another chip off your privacy, and one that you cannot avoid without giving up driving altogether.





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