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#2646535 3-Feb-2021 17:22

All this nit picking stuff is getting boring.

The anti brigade doesn't like evs and thats that.

I fear no one is open to changing their views.

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#2646546 3-Feb-2021 17:52

Ge0rge: Slightly off topic, but a rough rule of thumb is $1000 per horsepower for a new tractor. $800k would be a big machine, but certainly not uncommon.

It’s a massive quad tracked pivot-steer behemoth. A 9620RX.

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#2646550 3-Feb-2021 18:07

RunningMan: This thread is supposed to be about EV news, so people can keep up with new developments. Perhaps move the ICE v EV debate to a new thread?

Agree. There's no new information or news whatsoever in all that back and forth.

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#2646553 3-Feb-2021 18:10

afe66: All this nit picking stuff is getting boring.

The anti brigade doesn't like evs and thats that.

I fear no one is open to changing their views.

Sort of like vegans arguing their case with carnivores 😏 Ingrained opinions with little middle ground.

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#2646562 3-Feb-2021 18:51

Geektastic:
Ge0rge: Slightly off topic, but a rough rule of thumb is $1000 per horsepower for a new tractor. $800k would be a big machine, but certainly not uncommon.

It’s a massive quad tracked pivot-steer behemoth. A 9620RX.

Ah yes - that's been parked in Masterton for a little while now at the dealers - very impressive! There's certainly no making that electric in the short term...

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#2646564 3-Feb-2021 19:02

frankv:

I think the point is that an EV has a lightweight motor (or 2 or 4) instead of a quarter-tonne? of aluminium and steel that's in an ICE and transmission. So, *much* less manufacturing emissions in making that part, although, granted, the rest of the car will be much the same. And, for the EV, you then have add on emissions in mining lithium and manufacturing batteries.

Comparing large EVs against small ICEVs isn't relevant, unless you're expecting small ICEVs to be replaced by a large EVs. If the general size mix of the vehicle fleet remains the same, then EV manufacture will create less emissions than ICEV manufacture. Unless (lithium mining plus battery manufacture) generates more CO2 than (mining bauxite and iron ore plus engine and transmission manufacture).

100% . I don't recall comparing large EVs with small ICE, but yes off course, the ICE is heavier and more complex. The article suggested that the energy to make the batteries is high so an EV costs more emissions to produce. Is that correct or not? It may be, it may be favoured towards the EV, its impossible to know, but its likely close

So lets say its close. If both cars are produced in a coal electricity environment, or hydro, or nuclear, they are equal. As far as production emissions are concerned which is not trivial.

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#2646566 3-Feb-2021 19:04

RunningMan:

This thread is supposed to be about EV news, so people can keep up with new developments. Perhaps move the ICE v EV debate to a new thread?

Well EV's are the news due to climate change. Emissions are CC. I think its relevant. If we add subsidies, and/or other benefits thats solely due to climate change. I support EV's, they are the way of the future, but its not a 100-0 scoreline by any stretch.

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#2646567 3-Feb-2021 19:05

afe66: All this nit picking stuff is getting boring.

The anti brigade doesn't like evs and thats that.

I fear no one is open to changing their views.

Am I anti EV?

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#2646568 3-Feb-2021 19:07

HarmLessSolutions:

Sort of like vegans arguing their case with carnivores 😏 Ingrained opinions with little middle ground.

Or Apple fanbois who drink koolaid?

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#2646572 3-Feb-2021 19:23

Ge0rge:
Geektastic:

It’s a massive quad tracked pivot-steer behemoth. A 9620RX.

Ah yes - that's been parked in Masterton for a little while now at the dealers - very impressive! There's certainly no making that electric in the short term...

Not even with a long extension lead then .... hahahaha!

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#2646662 3-Feb-2021 21:23

wazzageek:

Not even with a long extension lead then .... hahahaha!

You laugh, but some of the biggest equipment in the mining sector has long been electrically powered via a tether. As an example:

https://www.cat.com/content/catdotcom/en_GB/products/new/equipment/electric-rope-shovels/

https://www.cat.com/content/catdotcom/en_GB/products/new/equipment/draglines/

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#2646673 3-Feb-2021 21:39

Ge0rge:
Geektastic:
It’s a massive quad tracked pivot-steer behemoth. A 9620RX.

Ah yes - that's been parked in Masterton for a little while now at the dealers - very impressive! There's certainly no making that electric in the short term...

The replacements will look a little different with different capabilities. Deere's are looking like this:

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#2646675 3-Feb-2021 21:54

The Ashburton power board had electric tractors running a solid 10 years until WWII started

https://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/mid-canterbury-selwyn/98867086/tractors-that-brought-power-to-the-land

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#2646678 3-Feb-2021 22:06

Grid power is something John Deere is looking at very seriously:

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#2646684 3-Feb-2021 22:17

Tesla battery supplier teases 400kwh/kg research in progress:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/evs/124124108/solidstate-battery-promised-with-impressive-powerperkilo

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