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  #2647131 4-Feb-2021 15:14
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Jaxson:

 

The Toyota Yaris is a self charge hybrid, and you notice that the power output of the hybrid ICE is much lower than solely ICE equivalent.  
Suggests the hybrid ICE is tuned for lower fuel consumption and lower emissions than a standard non EV hybrid model where ICE provides the full sole power source.

 

Yep - Toyota uses Atkinson cycle engines in (most of?) their hybrids -  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle 

 

Jaxson:

 

Not saying it's EV levels, but I do think it's a solid step forward and surely better than nothing.

 

Hybrid is $2 - $3,000 more (depending on trim model) than ICE though, and a subsidy that addressed that difference could make all the difference in decision making.

 

 

Yeah, I agree - that's why I asked a few pages back for confirmation of my understanding that the 'rebate' side of the equation was stepped for different levels of electrification (hybrid/PHEV/BEV) (Edit: just to add I'm referring to the proposed feebate scheme that NZF scuppered); a quick search seems to confirm this  - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/114068301/government-proposes-massive-feebate-car-scheme-that-would-make-cleaner-cars-up-to-8k-cheaper-and-dirtier-cars-more-expensive

 

Here's a line that relates to your point above: "The scheme would not just apply to electric vehicles: It would make efficient cars like a Suzuki Swift or Toyota Corolla cheaper, and bring the cost of hybrids to near-parity with non-hybrid cars by bringing their costs down by as much as $6800."

 

I just know we'll not be in a position where all households will be able to afford a BEV for quite some time, so surely during this period of transition it's better they are enticed towards a more efficient (hybrid) car than end up with a straight ICE vehicle?  




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  #2647136 4-Feb-2021 15:19
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jonathan18:

 

I just know we'll not be in a position where all households will be able to afford a BEV for quite some time, so surely during this period of transition it's better they are enticed towards a more efficient (hybrid) car than end up with a straight ICE vehicle?  

 

 

I think so. If a hybrid uses 20% less fuel, 5 of them equals one BEV. Im not really in favour of Suzuki Swifts getting a subsidy, rather the buyer who cant afford too much buys an import hybrid of that size


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  #2647137 4-Feb-2021 15:21
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afe66: Personally, as much as I like my leaf, Im not sure we as a country are rich enough to roll out large subsidies and I fear there is enough of a dixxxxhead segment of our community who would just go out a key a EV.


It's supposed to be budget neutral, a "freebate", where hybrids and EVS get a subsidy, and every other car (ICE) pays much more.

As far as someone targeting EV, unless you have one of those obvious stickers that say "EV", most wouldn't know the difference.

In the states, there was some trucks that would park in Tesla rapid charge ports, and the trucks then beared the retribution, but that appears to have passed.



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  #2647162 4-Feb-2021 15:54
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kingdragonfly: 

In the states, there was some trucks that would park in Tesla rapid charge ports, and the trucks then beared the retribution, but that appears to have passed.

 

There was this here recently:

 





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  #2647168 4-Feb-2021 15:59
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It's too bad the cables aren't a little longer. I'd have been tempted to park across his rear while I charged.





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  #2647178 4-Feb-2021 16:17
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wellygary:

 

afe66:

 

Personally, as much as I like my leaf, Im not sure we as a country are rich enough to roll out large subsidies

 

 

The Billions thrown at COVID indicate that the government has the financial capacity to borrow money at crazy cheap rates,

 

if it is serious about this and the economics stack up, it would be crazy to hold back just because the government needs to help fund the purchase of EVS that will subsequently save the country billions in fuel imports and carbon charges...

 

 

 

 

That it because it is printed money. Governments are doing it all over the world. It is pumping up asset prices and devaluing savers money in the bank, and we may end up with quite a bit of inflation coming down the track, which may also push up the price of EVs. If they consider this an emergency, then I would have thought a subsidy would be called for. The bigger problem maybe a lack of supply of EVs. I fail to see why it is important that the crown fleet are all EVs. That is solely for show, and does the average kiwi care, or does it make any difference to them, if the crown fleet are all EVs. 


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  #2647446 4-Feb-2021 19:12
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

That it because it is printed money. Governments are doing it all over the world. It is pumping up asset prices and devaluing savers money in the bank, and we may end up with quite a bit of inflation coming down the track, which may also push up the price of EVs. If they consider this an emergency, then I would have thought a subsidy would be called for. The bigger problem maybe a lack of supply of EVs. I fail to see why it is important that the crown fleet are all EVs. That is solely for show, and does the average kiwi care, or does it make any difference to them, if the crown fleet are all EVs. 

 

 

Look at our economy, its relatively booming. Money isnt banknotes, its a number. Unemployment has dropped despite kids leaving school and bumping the numbers. Some businesses may struggle for employees. Houses are up, bouyant. Yes not great, but its the opposite of a depression or recession.

 

Lack of supply of EV's is the issue. Not many brands not many sizes. But what there is is selling, but it makes no dent in emissions, not when after many years of EV;s being here there are 17000 of 4 million. Crown getting EV;s allows in short term a bump in the used market, same for businesses. Both sectors recycle vehicles after a few short years than 10 years for most consumers. But they aren't available in volume anyway, so its moot. In a few short years, Govt and business will dump them onto the used market along with probably other countries used ones, then it becomes material. Now its a drop in the bucket so not relevant if we are talking climate change.


 
 
 

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  #2647543 4-Feb-2021 19:57
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Obraik:

 

kingdragonfly: 

In the states, there was some trucks that would park in Tesla rapid charge ports, and the trucks then beared the retribution, but that appears to have passed.

 

There was this here recently:

 

 

 

To be fair due to the location of the charging terminal that driver may well have  thought there was only one EV parking spot which was on their left.





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  #2647683 4-Feb-2021 22:06
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Anyone know how this fella is getting on?

 

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/nz-tesla-owner-to-drive-length-of-country-in-world-record-attempt/

 

A chap by the name of John Fitness is going to drive his Tesla Model 3 the length of NZ, Cape Reinga to Bluff. He plans to make 3 stops in each Island (North Island = Whangarei, Hamilton, and Mangaweka and South Island = Ward, then in Christchurch, and finally in Palmerston)

 

According to the story, he started this morning at the Cape and will be in Bluff in 2 days time.

 

 


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  #2647685 4-Feb-2021 22:12
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

Anyone know how this fella is getting on?


https://www.driven.co.nz/news/nz-tesla-owner-to-drive-length-of-country-in-world-record-attempt/


A chap by the name of John Fitness is going to drive his Tesla Model 3 the length of NZ, Cape Reinga to Bluff. He plans to make 3 stops in each Island (North Island = Whangarei, Hamilton, and Mangaweka and South Island = Ward, then in Christchurch, and finally in Palmerston)


According to the story, he started this morning at the Cape and will be in Bluff in 2 days time.


 


He's just getting into Wellington now and seems to be tracking well...no hiccups so far




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  #2647939 4-Feb-2021 22:23
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Obraik:
WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

Anyone know how this fella is getting on?

 

 

 

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/nz-tesla-owner-to-drive-length-of-country-in-world-record-attempt/

 

 

 

A chap by the name of John Fitness is going to drive his Tesla Model 3 the length of NZ, Cape Reinga to Bluff. He plans to make 3 stops in each Island (North Island = Whangarei, Hamilton, and Mangaweka and South Island = Ward, then in Christchurch, and finally in Palmerston)

 

 

 

According to the story, he started this morning at the Cape and will be in Bluff in 2 days time.

 

 

 

 

 


He's just getting into Wellington now and seems to be tracking well...no hiccups so far

 

Is he blogging\vlogging along the way anywhere I can follow?


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  #2647941 4-Feb-2021 22:28
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He has a public GPS tracking but he's not really blogging too much as he's mostly driving and I think sneaking in some sleep at the charging stops when he's not doing interviews.

Below is the current GPS link but it expires shortly - unfortunately the updated links are posted in the private local Tesla club Facebook page
https://glympse.com/0BJ6-2WGK?fbclid=IwAR3zZx7FqP2xT8zMAOTRC9-oz-5NU4P7fi8D1pKJNUcVq8q08B3SXaSkCzA




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  #2648004 5-Feb-2021 06:42
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

Anyone know how this fella is getting on?

 

https://www.driven.co.nz/news/nz-tesla-owner-to-drive-length-of-country-in-world-record-attempt/

 

A chap by the name of John Fitness is going to drive his Tesla Model 3 the length of NZ, Cape Reinga to Bluff. He plans to make 3 stops in each Island (North Island = Whangarei, Hamilton, and Mangaweka and South Island = Ward, then in Christchurch, and finally in Palmerston)

 

According to the story, he started this morning at the Cape and will be in Bluff in 2 days time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

if he’s doing it in the car in the images it won’t remain a record.for long, according to carjam it’s a standard range 3.. an extended range model could probably do it with fewer stops


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  #2648031 5-Feb-2021 09:38
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wellygary:

 

if he’s doing it in the car in the images it won’t remain a record.for long, according to carjam it’s a standard range 3.. an extended range model could probably do it with fewer stops

 

 

I think part of the point is to show that stopping isn't a big deal if you have to.

 

But yes, I'm about to drive from Auckland to Christchurch in my Long Range version. The only fast charge stop I'll likely need to do is Taupo as I'll be staying overnight in a hotel in Wellington that has a destination charger. I intend to charge it up to 100% overnight and that will be enough to go all the way through to Christchurch without stopping.





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  #2648078 5-Feb-2021 11:34
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Distance all up is a bit over 2000km. The record established iwill be a useful yardstick for both range and availability of charging stations.

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