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#2833410 16-Dec-2021 13:08

RobDickinson:

They still offer test drives.

$300 a day is imo insane given the $60k purchase price and they have more expensive cars for half that price.

Heading into unchartered territory so just covering their arses in case of potential issues?

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#2833411 16-Dec-2021 13:09

RobDickinson:

They still offer test drives.

$300 a day is imo insane given the $60k purchase price and they have more expensive cars for half that price.

It's actually $289 but then it seemed prudent to take the $58 insurance and thasn $10 for an additional drive.

i agree it's quite expensive but it's Christmas and nobody else is going to give me this pressie :-)

By way of comparison the Toyota Landcruiser is $280 for the same day

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#2833434 16-Dec-2021 13:31

HarmLessSolutions:

RobDickinson:

They still offer test drives.

$300 a day is imo insane given the $60k purchase price and they have more expensive cars for half that price.

Heading into unchartered territory so just covering their arses in case of potential issues?

I think they know they can get it, esp with no fuel costs.

I looked for june/chc and a prado was half the price.

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#2833447 16-Dec-2021 13:50

lchiu7:

It's actually $289 but then it seemed prudent to take the $58 insurance and thasn $10 for an additional drive.

I'd suggest checking your own car insurance policy. Some of them will cover any rental car you might have while in New Zealand with the same excess that you have for your own car, which makes it unnecessary to buy the addon insurance from the rental company

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#2833449 16-Dec-2021 13:53

Linuxluver:

SR+ doesn't exist anymore, I thought. It's now just "Tesla Model 3".

I don't know about the Performance or Long Range versions (which still exist) but the base model just tells you:

YOUR MODEL 3

Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive
Solid Black Paint
19’’ Sport Wheels
All Black Partial Premium Interior
Autopilot

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#2833614 16-Dec-2021 17:17

RobDickinson:
Over 2 years in, 4000ish model 3s on the roads, only 5 on trademe , one is a crashed write off, one is going for over rrp.

No one seems to be eating that 30% depreciation at the moment.

EVs very much in demand and Tesla more than most.

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#2833637 16-Dec-2021 18:30

Linuxluver:
Dingbatt:

...I know @LinuxLuver has a combo setup and would be interested to know how much of the energy from the Powerwalls is available for the house after running his car.

It would be nice if funds for this were limitless, but they’re not.

My house uses about 300w as it's base level of ""…………….snip

In my own case, we have two Tesla Powerwalls and 28 solar panels. Right now, on a sunny day, I'm generating almost 75kWh in a day. I export most of it. About 80%.

Solar and a battery will insulate - partially or fully - a home and car from higher grid charges. Plus, the lights stay on.

Cheers for the response. I’m just wondering whether part of the change to an EV should be thinking about a solar installation. We are heavy electricity users and the prospect of electricity charges tripling is not a happy one (despite what @RobDickinson “can’t see”). So a lesser vehicle plus some solar maybe.

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#2833666 16-Dec-2021 19:57

Dingbatt:

Linuxluver:

My house uses about 300w as it's base level of ""…………….snip

In my own case, we have two Tesla Powerwalls and 28 solar panels. Right now, on a sunny day, I'm generating almost 75kWh in a day. I export most of it. About 80%.

Solar and a battery will insulate - partially or fully - a home and car from higher grid charges. Plus, the lights stay on.

Cheers for the response. I’m just wondering whether part of the change to an EV should be thinking about a solar installation. We are heavy electricity users and the prospect of electricity charges tripling is not a happy one (despite what @RobDickinson “can’t see”). So a lesser vehicle plus some solar maybe.

There's definitely a bit to be enjoyed about knowing that your EV is filling up on sunshine (assuming you can schedule daytime home charging). Get in contact with a reputable and knowledgeable PV installer in your area and use their recommendation of PV set-up to crunch the economics using the EECA online calculator. Note that the calculator doesn't have facility to input EV ownership/charging but it does include having a power diverter such as a Paladin to maximise self consumption of your PV generation which is key to making PV viable. Of course the increasing cost of grid power will only increase PV's viability and shorten ROI.

Also recommend checking out Ecotricity's terms and pricing if available in your area. Their buy back tariff of 10.5c/kWh is one of the best going.

We have 5kWh of grid tied PV and a Leaf but no storage battery at this stage as the economics don't stack up in our case.

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#2833715 16-Dec-2021 23:07

HarmLessSolutions:
Also recommend checking out Ecotricity's terms and pricing if available in your area. Their buy back tariff of 10.5c/kWh is one of the best going.

We have 5kWh of grid tied PV and a Leaf but no storage battery at this stage as the economics don't stack up in our case.

The export rate may depend on the lines company. I'm with Ecotricity in Opotiki. My export rate is 9.81c / kWh. It looks like Horizon (the lines company) set that. There is no restriction on my single phase export. I've seen it exporting 7.3kw sustained (and I'm generating 8.35kw).

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#2833849 17-Dec-2021 09:31

We've got someone coming out early in the new year to talk to us about a solar installation and a ventilation system to help move the air from the main room of the house, where the heat pump is, to the other rooms. Definitely want be charging the car from the sun where possible, but will need a battery to make it feasible once life gets a bit more normal and we move back to the office three days a week.

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#2833856 17-Dec-2021 09:43

SaltyNZ:

We've got someone coming out early in the new year to talk to us about a solar installation and a ventilation system to help move the air from the main room of the house, where the heat pump is, to the other rooms. Definitely want be charging the car from the sun where possible, but will need a battery to make it feasible once life gets a bit more normal and we move back to the office three days a week.

Completely off topic but...have you thought about changing the heat pump to a ducted heat pump instead? Would probably give you a better experience than trying to force a high wall heat pump to heat the whole house.

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#2833857 17-Dec-2021 09:51

Obraik:

Completely off topic but...have you thought about changing the heat pump to a ducted heat pump instead? Would probably give you a better experience than trying to force a high wall heat pump to heat the whole house.

Unfortunately, we only renovated the house a bit over a year ago. At the time we could not afford the difference between a normal one and a ducted one, otherwise that's exactly what we would have done. Now,we have some money available and are considering using it to reduce outgoings in the longer term - hence solar, which we would also have preferred to do while rebuilding the house - but of course it means we would have to throw away an almost brand new heat pump if we wanted to do that hence considering the ventilation system instead.

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#2834836 17-Dec-2021 10:44

Your situation may not be suitable but if you have the land area available, particularly if you're rural, you might want to consider a ground mounted installation. Here's a photo of the one we had on our previous property which demonstrates this. Being at 'ground level' rather than on a roof has a variety of advantages in terms of ease of installation (less cost), cleaning convenience, safety in regards to fire and the ability to optimise direction and slope of the panels. The one potential disadvantage is if the array is a distance from your house (and inverter siting) as the DC cabling required is relatively pricey.

Also once we have our current PV installation completed I plan to put up another blog on our website with updated info relative to our last set-up.

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#2834841 17-Dec-2021 10:59

Its worth checking if your power retailer has a EV rate for overnight charging. Ours (Genesis, we live in Wellington) does and we also have Solar.

Our rates are 10 cents per unit overnight (9PM - 7AM), 20 cents per unit other times, plus 12 cents for exported power.

Given these rates it actually makes more sense (cents!) to export power during the day and not use it to charge car or powerwall, and then use the cheap overnight power to charge car, heat spa pool, run driers & dishwasher etc.

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#2834894 17-Dec-2021 11:09

HarmLessSolutions:

Your situation may not be suitable but if you have the land area available, particularly if you're rural, you might want to consider a ground mounted installation. Here's a photo of the one we had on our previous property which demonstrates this. Being at 'ground level' rather than on a roof has a variety of advantages in terms of ease of installation (less cost), cleaning convenience, safety in regards to fire and the ability to optimise direction and slope of the panels. The one potential disadvantage is if the array is a distance from your house (and inverter siting) as the DC cabling required is relatively pricey.

Also once we have our current PV installation completed I plan to put up another blog on our website with updated info relative to our last set-up.

Yes that is something we are considering for exactly those reasons. Downside to that would be that we want to put a driveway in the same place so not sure yet.

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